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How I play my 5000 odd LP's.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 18’ × 23’  Large
Ceiling: 7’


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    • TW Raven AC-3 with BN platter
    3 motor German turntable
    • Thales Audio Simplicity II
    tangential tracking tonearm - just superb
    • Technics TECHNICS SL-1000MK3D SP10-MK3 SH-10B5 Plinth.
    Classic Technics table
    • Graham Engineering Phantom B 44
    tonearm
    • Exclusive P3
    Wonderful sounding turntable from 1979
    • Exclusive P10
    Great sounding vintage 1979 DD table, 2nd to the P3.
    • Lyra ATLAS SL
    phono cartridge
    • Lyra Etna SL
    phono cartridge
    • Dynavector DRT XV-1s
    top of the line dynavector cartridge
    • Ortofon MC A90 anniversary
    absolutely reference grade cartridge that sounds like your system.
    • Linn LP-12 Lingo
    LP12 TT with Naim ARO arm
    • Lyra Delos
    overachieving entry level lyra cart - plays higher than its price
    • Denon ESC 103R
    cartridge
    • Ortofon SPU Classic GM E MKII
    enough said
    • Ortofon SPU Royal GM
    .
    • Nordost Valhalla
    between turntable and phono stage
    • Accuphase C-37
    3 input phono stage
    • TW Acustik Phono
    3 input pure tube phono section with 6 impedance settings. Very quiet for a full tube gain phono stage
    • Esoteric E-03
    two input phono stage
    • Ortofon Verto Set-Up Transformer
    excellent SUT for the SPU's
    • Conrad Johnson GAT
    very nice preamp
    • Deqx HDP-4
    DSP speaker and room correction. especially good at correcting and eq of bass
    • Nordost Tyr 6m
    ic between pre and power
    • D'Agostino Momentum Stereo
    SS amp
    • Conrad Johnson premier 8A with cj teflon upgrades
    275 watt monoblocks brought up to date with cj factory teflon cap upgrade
    • Wilson Audio Maxx 3
    Gentle Giant
    • Nordost Tyr
    Excellent
    • Kimber KS-3033
    8ft speaker cable
    • Transparent MM Reference XL-V
    speaker cable
    • Orb DF-02
    Japan's Orb make the Air Tight LP flattener. This is the new Japan model for flattening those warped and dished LP's
    • TW Acustik / Hannl Ultra
    rebadged Hannl - same as Acustech Ultra - excellent and quiet but takes longer than nitty gritty
    • Yamaha CDR-HD1300
    yamaha hard disc recorder with 80 gb disc drive and cd player. great for dubbing vinyl to CD

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Center
I was wondering how you like your Thales simplicity ii? Also wondering if you have any experience with Thales statement?
Thanks
PS: Great looking system you must really enjoy it!

whatthe

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Owner
Added Lyra Etna SL and Atlas SL

downunder

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AddedTECHNICS SL-1000MK3D SP10-MK3 SH-10B5 Plinth.

downunder

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Owner
reflected a few changes.
room change - huge change for the better.
Thales Simplicity II tonearm - TW turntable has never sounded better
Accuphase c-37 and Esoteric E-03 phono stages - variety is the spice of life

downunder

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HI Zpost.   The cj prem 8a's will drive the Cremonas with ease.  I used to drive Stradivaris with them.
if/we you can afford, do the cj tefon cap upgrade.  substntial increase in peformance and lowers the noise floor.
cheers

downunder

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Nice set up!  I am looking to get a CJ Premier 8 mono block amp.  Do you recommend that amp?  Looking to drive it with Sonus Faber Cremonas.  Please advise??

zipost

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Hi Downunder,

Marvelous system. You are unique in having excellent belt drive and direct drive turntables. Curious to hear what are the differences between your Exclusive P3 and the TW Raven and how you go about using all 3 TT's.

ddriveman

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Beautiful system.

thesaint519

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Digital EQ Shane? is that right? how does it work? how do you like it? Most intrigued!

(BTW, have you ever tried Vibb Eaters...I am using 4 extra large on top of and braced against the back of my X1 upper modules...12kgs per speaker...stills the cabinetry beautifully. A strength of signal, a deepness of detail and also tone that is remarkable.) Now considering a much bigger, custom option...

lloydelee21

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Owner
System edited: added Deqx HDP-4, Pass XP-20 and Lyra Delos over the past 6 months or so

downunder

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Hi Ddriveman

If you have the chance to buy a P3 even at 5k more - buy it.

The P10 is a good fun table. It has nice bounce to the sound bit the P3 is just a better all round table that does everything better. Incredible control a d an all round more sophisticated beast.

The funny thing with anything audio, I can find LP's that sound a little bit better with the P10 - generally more rock and pop music. Same with the TW table.

No table/arm/cartridge combo that does it all for all music.

The S arm wands cope with SPU cartridges fine - however I do not think it is a great match - the spy is very heavy - with the design of the arm wands, there can be a little give(about the only weakness in the arm)- the heavy SPU carts can induce slight movement and difficult to maintain correct azimuth.
The straight arm wands are better sounding as well.

Re the P3a. The P3 and P3a tables are exactly the same, except for the tonearms. I have not really heard of anyone that has actively compared.

I can swap the arm wands between the P10 and P3, so adds for great flexibility.

I will never sell the P3, but if a P3a came up for a good price, I would jump on it.

Have you seen one you are interested in?

downunder

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Hi JFrech

The Monaco is a great table. DD done well.

It has similar tone to my Exclusive P3. I did not get the chance to swap my dyna XV-1S into the Monaco. It had a Benz LP-S on it. I think the dyna would have been a little better again.

It is now with its real owner and he is very happy.

Cheers

downunder

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Hi Downunder,

Have a question regarding Exclusive P3 vs P10. You are in a unique position since you own both. Nice! How much better is the p3 vs the P10. In other words, if I had to chose between a p10 vs P3 and the P3 costs USD$2000 more, should I go for the P3?
Also, Is the P3a significantly better i.e. If you found a P3a would you upgrade?
Finally, what cartridges work with the P3 arm. Can you use low compliance heavy cartridges like Ortofon SPU's?

ddriveman

Center
Saw you were trying the Grand Prix Monaco table. I've enjoyed mine a LOT over the years...any thoughts so far?

jfrech

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my favourite kind of upgrade! Congrats!

lloydelee21

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Owner
Hi Dan, thanks for the kind thoughts.

I agree the ESC mod for the 103r is just about the best bang for buck upgrade one can do.
While it does not sound as good as the Atlas or XV-1s, it is not light years away and is great to listen to. The law of diminishing returns are at play.
It is ultimately the music that moves me, the system I would sell, but not the LP's.

I also have my Linn Troika re-tipped by ESC which I like.

Hi Lloyd

The Denon 103r upgraded is just about the cheapest amount of $$ I have spent on an upgrade - ha ha It would not even buy you 1 Stillpoint V. :-)
So as far as value for money, it is very high.

cheers dudes

downunder

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Pradeep - regarding your CJ GAT...perhaps try EAT Tube dampers? I had a super-microphone tube and the EAT Tube damper actually stopped the microphony while improving everything else...much stronger, denser signal. (And I could clap my hands before...and hear the clap thru the speakers...it was that microphonic a tube!) My two cents...good luck. Otherwise, how are the Siemens and how do they compare to others?

lloydelee21

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Congrats Shane!!! Big news!!! I am no vinyl guy but certainly sounds like a great upgrade!!!

lloydelee21

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Hi Downunder,

Your money pit must sound fantastic, going by the stellar components you have assembled. Makes me wonder what I'd have assembled, had I your resources.

Must be quite an experience to listen to every day. Congratulations, and enjoy.

Oh, by the way the ESSCO modded D 103R is incredible, to me this mod escalates the performance of the D 103R from the mundane to the sublime. To my mind, if you have one, you can't afford not to have the mod done. A ridiculous bargain.

Regards,
Dan

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Hi Downunder,

AF-1, platter is 7075 duraluminum same as other owners.

Some thoughts of tables of mine -

TW Raven Black Knight- very nice table indeed - eye candy to boot - in comparison listening to the MS I could immediately hear the floor noise had dropped substantially, the back ground being blacker and much quieter - less noise from records - performers and instruments more defined - clearer - dynamics over all superior and in the end just more realistic sounding. I was really shocked!

MS- what can I say built like a tank - old design - very hard to find one in reasonable condition and too have one in the condition as mine with it's current configuration is the only one in the WORLD! I know of. What makes it be such - the over all condition firstly - secondly mine has a Stainless Steel platter - I still have the Gun Metal platter which is seen on other owners tables too. You see the SS platter on the 8000, I also have the platter mod from Germany as per Syntax table - I also have a HS80 Inertia unit with Stainless Steel flywheel where most others like Syntax table set-up has Gun Metal. These units are even harder to find than the actual table. In comparison Syntax and my 5000 are the same just minus the different platter and fly wheel material - mine being Stainless Steel.

AF-1 - WOW! WOW! It's just an absolute game changer. In comparison to my MS - AF-1 enhances dramatically all the differences mentioned above I heard in comparison between MS / BK and then some, I have never heard anything like this - I'm very proud and fortunate to own such a instrument. :-)

Eye candy to boot for sure - it looks so sexy not even spinning!

dev

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Owner
Hi Dev

My eye candy is nothing compared to your AF1. I am super envious. How does it sound compared to your MS? What platter did you get?

Cheers

downunder

Center
Shane
Many thanks. Will check this out with the TW dealer in Singapore.
The GAT is superb though I have had some problems with microphonics with the Seimens NOS tubes. Am still waiting the arrival of the Japanese SET mono blocs. Hopefully, the year long system upgrade may be complete in Dec
Have not tried the BN feet. I suspect the effects may be minuscule if the TT is properly isolated.
Best
Pradeep

sunnyboy1956

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Owner
Hi Pradeep

Thanks. Main difference is that it is really heavy 20kg!!

But in all seriousness. I also upgraded the bearing to the latest one that is stk with the BN platter.

Bn platter/bearing is defintately quieter in that there seems to be more space and a blacker background when playing music. I have found the musical delivery more coherent through all the frequencies. Upper frequency extension is a bit better and a slightly tighter bass.
With the 3 motors the platter does need a helping hand on start up, otherwise the belt slips a little with the extra weight of the platter. Once up to speed it is rock solid.

I actually did not plan on the platter, as I was enquiring in the new bearing Dgad told me about. TW said they had one BN platter ex German hifi show so they gave me a good price. It was in perfect condition. Still expensive, but certainly cheaper than a brand new one retail.

Overall I am really happy with the new platter and better musical performance.

I do not have the BN feet. Do you?

How is the GAT going?
Cheers

downunder

Center
Shane
Congrats on the BN platter. What kind of improvements do you find over the original platter and did you change to the BN feet ? What are the costs involved ? I am really happy with my TW AC but always interested in the next tweak.
Cheers
Pradeep

sunnyboy1956

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Hi Downunder - Congrats on your latest acquisition the BN platter - provides sonically a different window - the added eye candy not too shabby either. You have collected some fine pces.

dev

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