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Dec-2020
Purchased the Fidelizer PRO. This has immensely changed the listening experience. Folks using a Windows machine should certainly give a shot to the free version. You have nothing to loose except 5 minutes. The best part of free version is it is an exe files that you run and not install. So if you don't like it, just delete the .exe.

Oct-2020
Upgraded Asus K52 with a Asus S400CA, 8GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Again, this is an older laptop repurposed for audio. Also added a NAS server and all audio files are on that server. Connection to this server is via ethernet and not wifi. Evaluating the free version of Fidelizer which makes very audible, positive change in my system.

Jul-2020
Repurposed an old laptop for streaming Spotify/Qobuz and also digital files. The laptop was upgraded from 3GB to 8GB RAM and from 250GB HDD to 1TB SSD for DSD and FLAC files. Installed Foobar2000 with Eole skin on the laptop to play the digital files. Using an old iPad mini 2 tablet with MonkeyMote to control this laptop remotely. Love this app!
Installed the Inakustik Reference High Speed USB between the laptop and Oppo 205, which is now used as a DAC.

Jun-2020
Added Inakustik NF-2404 XLRs between Oppo-Backert and Backert-Parasound.
Will try to find some time to do a mini review of these cables, if I find time. These cables pull you into the music way too much.

Mar-2020
Added Inakustik LS-2404 AIR biwire loudspeaker cables

Nov-2019
Added the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers to the ProAcs

Jun-2019
Added the Inakustik AC-3500p power conditioner in the system.

Nov-2018
Replaced the Promitheus Reference C-core TVC with Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier

Jan-2018
Replaced the Quad 21L with the ProAc D48R in Ebony.

October-2017
Replaced the Teac CD-1000 SACD player with Oppo UDP-205 universal disc player.

September-2015
Replaced the Marantz SACD player with Teac CD-1000.

May-2015
New room finished in April. Room is 19 X 15 X 8. Three walls were already in place (concrete). Had the 4th wall built with double drywalls inside/outside and using GreenGlue. 2 dedicated 10gauge 20 amp lines for amps and electronics. Speakers are 4 feet from back wall and 3 feet from side wall. Placement of speakers, chair, panels etc are within 1/8th inch tolerance. Replaced Signal Cable power cables with Cullen Cables Crossover Series power cords, because I needed longer and flexible cables.

Feb-2015
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution RCAs between Marantz and TVC with Clear Day's RCA cables.

Sep-2014
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR between TVC and amp with Clear Day's XLR cables.

Aug-2014
Replaced the Signal Cable Silver Resolution bi-wires with Clear Day Double Shotguns and jumpers between HF and LF speaker terminals.

04-Dec-2013:
Replaced original wooden footers under TVCs with Ebony footers. Simply unbelievable - what they did.

February 2012 - September 2012:
Been exited to have a dedicated room for this "passion". This word was emphasized by a female family friend. She was amazed by how passionately I could go on and on about this hobby. She likes classical music. Soon after we moved into our first home, I did post some questions on this forum about french doors. Those are in place now and I am happy with their looks. Per my wife (touch wood), I need to place something on the door panels for preventing reflections and maintaining privacy. Her support for me in this hobby has been outstanding and I would not have reached this far, if not for her. So, that treatment on the door will come sometimes later this year. This is a small room with 13.5'X12.5'X9' dimensions. I painted this room myself (first time, never did this before). The speakers are placed along the shorter wall. They are 40" from front wall and about 30" from side walls. They are about 7' apart with some toe-in. I sit slightly more than 7' away. All measurements are within 1/10" error. Finding the optimum position for speaker took me about 24 to 30 man hours. Though this is painful, the outcome of this exercise is mind-boggling. Got some granite to go between the floor and speakers. These are 18"X18"X1.5". This has tightened the bass and has provided necessary isolation from the wooden floor below. At the same time, added Herbie Audio Lab's Extra Thick Hush Puckies under the speaker spikes and the granite. This causes the speaker to not "ring" and provides stability to the speakers, because of the dBNeutralizer base. Since this is my own space, I added some treatments from GIK. Bryan Pape at GIK was very helpful and actually told me to go easy on the treatments. We started with 2 Tri-traps on the corners and 2 Monster Panels on the back wall directly behind the listening position. I liked the way the bass tightened up. Bryan suggested the 244 instead of 242s on the first reflection panels to take care of any phase issues as well. And that has turned pretty nice. Also got the terminations on the speaker wires changed from spades to BFA bananas. I am totally sold on the BFAs. Superb contact and fit. Some of you advised me to move the equipments from between the speakers. Though I could not do it 100%, what I did was, to disassemble the rack and use the shelfs on the floor directly. But the resulting change in the sound staging is simply fantastic. I never imagined that a rack placed between 2 speakers can mess the soundstage. With all this in place I did miss some "meat" in my system. But I thought it was the size of the room that was causing the nulls and there was probably nothing I could do. What finally brought "life" in my system was the new XLRs between the preamp (TVC) and the amp. The move from RCA to XLR in my system was nothing short of drastic. I have mentioned this on this site as well as a forum dedicated to Parasound Halo products. Apparently, there was not enough gain in my system and so the "meat" was missing on the bones, if you will. This was not so obvious in the previous apartment room, since it was small and the speakers used to be closer to the walls. In the near future, I would like to add 3 242 GIK panels on the front wall, behind the speakers. Will first experiment with the existing Monster Panels on the front wall.


March 2010:
The Parasound amp has changed my system profoundly. I cannot believe the transparency and expansiveness it has brought into my system. And it seems a very good match for my TVC as I set the TVC volume to lower levels than my previous amp.

April 2009: Added the Promitheus TVC, which took my system to an altogether different level. I did not imagine of such a performance from my system. Looking for a good power amp now. Want a power amp with high sensitivity and power - to match the TVC and also in case I upgrade my speakers at a later time.

August-2005
It took many listening sessions, forums, mags, etc to build this starter system. Was worth every minute spent for building it. Started with recommended components list - but ended with what my ears liked.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • ProAc Response D48R Loudspeakers
    Ebony with Ribbon tweeter.
    • Parasound A21
    250 watts RMS x 2, 20 Hz - 20 kHz,8Ω, Class AB Sensitivity: 1 V for 28.28 V
    • Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3
    Tube preamplifier with 2 X 12AU7 tubes
    • OPPO UDP-205
    Universal Disc player
    • Asus K52f
    Old laptop that was upgraded from 3GB to 8GB RAM and from 250GB HDD to 1TB SSD for DSD and FLAC files. Installed Foobar2000 with Eole skin and using an old iPad mini tablet with MonkeyMote to control this laptop remotely.
    • Inakustik Reference Power Station AC-3500P
    Power Conditioner
    • Google Chromecast
    Casting Spotify/Tidal/etc over wi-fi
    • Auris bluMe
    Bluetooth Receiver with aptX® & AAC and AKM 4396 DAC.
    • Inakustik LS-2404 Air
    Bi-wire speaker cables
    • Inakustik NF-2404 Air
    XLR Cables
    • Inakustik Reference High Speed USB
    USB cable
    • Clear Day RCA
    Puresonic
    • Cardes Parsec
    4 feet co-axial cable
    • Inakustik 2502F
    Power Cord
    • Furutech FI-28(R)/FI-32(R)
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 10 AWG
    Amplifier Power Cord
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 12 AWG
    SACD player power cord
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II
    Isolation footers for loudspeakers
    • World Market Kendall Chair
    Very comfortable chair. Suede. No support directly behind the head which means sound is not distorted. I was searching for something like this for quite some time. I looked at some LC2 and LC3 knock-offs. But they were all leather that could reflect sound. Chocolate color which also matches the GIK panels.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab Extra-Thick Hush Puckies
    Stainless Steel Isolation discs between speaker spikes and the floor. They not only provide stability, but reduced the ringing from granite, thus increasing clarity and resolution.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab grungebuster Dots
    Damping discs under each leg of the Oppo player. These are made of proprietary silicone-based vinyl elastomers with variable compliance and firmness qualities. Removed brittleness from many un-listenable CDs.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab dBNeutralizer base pads
    2 dBNeutralizer base pads under the Extra-Thick Hush Puckies. These are under the front speaker feet, only for rake. The sound stage was lifted up and allows me to use slightly higher seating chairs.
    • GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap
    For front corners behind the speakers, in coffee color.
    • GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap
    Mounted on the wall behind listening seat.
    • GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap
    Absorption panel in Coffee color, mounted at first reflection points, that also takes care of phase related issues. Plan to get 2 more to go in the center of the room behind the speakers.
    • Porterhouse Audio Porter Ports

Comments 255

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Milpai,

Just saw your comment of 12/20/20. Very happy to hear how pleased you are with your system. I also saw your PP&M comment.

Autumn to May on the first album is one of my favorites.

Best Regards,

Jim Perry

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Thank You for the kind words @lalitk .

milpai

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Gorgeous setup! Love the attention to the detail, I bet your system sounds awesome. Enjoy!

Ag insider logo xs@2xlalitk

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Added new pictures with room treatment and component changes.

milpai

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Will post the updated room pics in the near future.

milpai

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@jperry ,
Thank You for the kind words.
Yes, the ProAcs are super addictive. Was listening to Peter, Paul and Mary's Album 1700 - The House Song. Mary's voice was coming from 3 feet to the right of right speaker. Spooky, but awesome! And yes, those footers are completely worth it!


My biggest mistake in the past year was to have the second panel on the side wall for the second reflection point. I have removed it 2 a month ago and put it on the wall behind me. It did 2 things - opened up the sound stage and tamed the bass even further making voices more intelligible. Some of the softer words are clearly heard now. Man, I should have done that a year ago!!

milpai

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@milpai 

The Proac D-48r with ebony finish look fantastic. Super clean layout, and I am sure great sound.

I saw your comment on footers and had a similar experience, but with different footers. It really tightened up everything and added focus to the sound.

Best Regards,

Jim Perry

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Thank You @cymbop. You have a lovely system going on. I should get some tips from you on "computer audio" setup.

milpai

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I love systems like this:  (relatively) simple and as high-quality as you can afford, with good emphasis on treatment of the room and a clean, elegant layout.  Well-done, milpai!  Would love to hear this setup.

cymbop

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@b_limo,
Thanks bud! The rack is Salamander Archetype 5. I got an amazing deal on the rack and spikes from Amazon. If you are not too critical on the color, the the black ones are on really good deal on Amazon. If I was looking at the same ones, I would do 2 Archetype 3 instead of a single Archetype 5, for flexibility.

I just received delivery of the Inakustik NF-2404 XLR cables to go between the Oppo and Backert & also from the Backert to the Parasound. Till date, Inakustik purchases have been ear opening, to say the least. But in my system IC changes were not as great as speaker cables changes. They were noticeable for sure. But the differences were only in the 30-40% guesstimates, than the more than 70% guesstimates for the loudspeaker cables. This was based on the upgrade I did in 2014, from Signal Cables to Clear Days. Lets see how the Inakustiks works out. 

milpai

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Looking at your system again tonight Milpai.  It takes a few views to actually see everything.  I read through your whole history tonight; pretty cool how you documented it all.  I go through equipment so often that my list would be too big for anyone to want to read.

Anyhow, I’m looking into stereo racks and want to get an adjustable one.  What kind is yours and would recommend that one, or is something else I should look at as well?

I’m gettin a Schiit Gungir Multibit and my new Fritz Carreras in 2 days and am so excited!  I’ll have the best sound I’ve ever owned once I add those 2 componets; I can hardly wait.  

Anyhow, I bet your setup sounds great.  That pre amp looks nice 👍, your speakers are just awesome and so pretty.  The quarter sawn book matched finish is stunning. That parasound is a solid amp.  Great choice on power cables, conditioners, dedicated lines...  just a great all around set-up.  Many people miss the details but not you 👌.

Anyhow, some feedback about your rack posted here on your thread would be appreciated!  I’ll check back in a week!

Happy Listening Milpai!

b_limo

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@b_limo,
Thanks for the kind words, buddy. Yes long time we have been in touch. Yes, that room is all due to my wife's support who allows me to spend time in that room. If not, it would not have been possible.
From here I would like to upgrade my interconnects to some Referenz Inakustik ones. I am floored by the transformational change their speaker cables have made in my system.

milpai

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Yowza Milpai!  You had a nice set-up 10 years ago but my goodness, its just simply fantastic now.  Congratulations on the continual work and improvements; I wouldn’t even know where you go from here honestly.  I can see that it has truly been a labor of love for you.  Well done Sir, well done 😁

b_limo

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Thank You @highend64, for the kind words. I enjoy my system whenever I get a chance - which is mostly late night after kids have gone to bed.

milpai

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Hi Milpai. You have a very nice exquisite looking sytem. I enjoy looking at it. Wish I had a system like that. Enjoy and happy listening.

highend64

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Finally got the Inakustik LS-2404 AIR loudspeaker cables. These replaced the venerable Clear Day Double shotgun + Clear Day double jumpers that Paul made for me almost 6 years ago. The system is finally sounding the way I had envisioned years ago.

milpai

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Seriously considering upgrading my speaker cables to the Inakustik LS-2404 AIR in bi-wires. I should stop discussing audio with @wig. He has put me in a fix now.

milpai

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Hello @losperales_29, welcome to Audiogon.
While I have not heard the D20R, I have heard the D30RS and own the D48R. But in both the cases, it was the mid-range of the ProAcs that got me. Listening to my D48R currently and I absolutely do not feel the midrange lacking. No way is the piano calm on the ProAc in my setup. I have not listened to a Martin Logan, so I cannot compare the mid-ranges of the 2 loudspeakers.

The sound stage that the the ProAcs throw are humongous. I spent many hours fine tuning my placement. But that goes for any loudspeaker that you purchase. You have to set them up properly to get the best qualities out of a loudspeaker. In my room the ProAcs are 71 inches from front wall and 42 inches from side walls. So there is a lot of room for the speakers to breath. Naturally because of this speaker placement, the bass is not boomy. I recently upgraded the footers on these speakers and the bass is tight and has a definition that previously was not as prominent.
My take on ProAcs is that they are very musical speakers and will provide hours of entertainment without fatigue on your ears. If you are getting these loudspeakers for background listening, I suggest that you look elsewhere, because these grab your attention once they start playing.

What are your existing room dimensions? And what is your current front end (amplification/source/etc)?

milpai

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Hello! i´m from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I have to upgrade my old but sexy Dynaudio Audience 82 (it was from my father).

I have the possibility to heard, in the best showroom here, the Proac d20r. (with Primare cd 35, AudioResearch Vsi75 and all tellurium Q ultra silver cables with PS Audio PowerPlant P5). Room Size: 22x18 aprox.

The sound was symply amazing: natural sound, extremly detailed, sweet and very good soundstage. 

But there was a very very little problem: the midrange zone (piano for example) not have a very good explosive dynamics (like martin logan). The piano was so "calm".

With the Proac d48r (different woofers and double), how is the midrange?. Explosive or very  sweet and calm dynamics?.

What about the bass? very powerfull and controlled or big big problems in the room?.

Very important your opinion.

Best regards!

losperales_29

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Thank You @b_limo .
And thank you for the Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval 8 recommendation. I was not thinking of cable upgrade at the current moment. But you just put that bug in my mind :-)
Your new system looks well set. I had posted on your system, but looks like you have not seen it. You need to post a latest pic of the system with those cables. I have heard good things about Analysis Plus.

milpai

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Your system is looking fantastic Milpai!  I’d like to recommend some Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval 8 speaker cables and rca’s!  I acquired a pair of their speaker cables last summer and they are just too good to not recommend them to you.  I think you would really enjoy them and your set-up is so nice as it is, I feel like it would benefit from them.  They are incredibly natural sounding and untangle the music is a way I have never experienced.  Incredible bass, texture and detail as well!

Again though, your roomis looking great!

b_limo

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Got a great deal on the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers that I was eyeing for more than 2 years. I have mentioned in a Gaia thread on this forum, what changes I hear. But to sum it up, I would say, the footer bring great "naturalness" to the system. I still have to get accustomed to the fact that the speaker rock left-right when pushed a bit.

milpai

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@pdreher ,
Thank You sir!
You have a nice system, with some exquisite equipment. My dealer keeps telling me that I should upgrade to tube power amp for the ProAcs.
I see that you have GIK tri-traps in the front corners. Do you have the same in the back corners as well? They make a huge difference.

milpai

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@b_limo,
Thank You for the kind words. Much appreciated.
Loos like you have been to RMAF and have experienced a lot more. Do you plan to make any upgrades?

milpai

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Gorgeous speaker!  Those are on my bucket list.

pdreher

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