Description

Mar-2020
Added Inakustik LS-2404 AIR biwire loudspeaker cables

Nov-2019
Added the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers to the ProAcs

Jun-2019
Added the Inakustik AC-3500p power conditioner in the system.

Nov-2018
Replaced the Promitheus Reference C-core TVC with Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier

Jan-2018
Replaced the Quad 21L with the ProAc D48R in Ebony.

October-2017
Replaced the Teac CD-1000 SACD player with Oppo UDP-205 universal disc player.

September-2015
Replaced the Marantz SACD player with Teac CD-1000.

May-2015
New room finished in April. Room is 19 X 15 X 8. Three walls were already in place (concrete). Had the 4th wall built with double drywalls inside/outside and using GreenGlue. 2 dedicated 10gauge 20 amp lines for amps and electronics. Speakers are 4 feet from back wall and 3 feet from side wall. Placement of speakers, chair, panels etc are within 1/8th inch tolerance. Replaced Signal Cable power cables with Cullen Cables Crossover Series power cords, because I needed longer and flexible cables.

Feb-2015
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution RCAs between Marantz and TVC with Clear Day's RCA cables.

Sep-2014
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR between TVC and amp with Clear Day's XLR cables.

Aug-2014
Replaced the Signal Cable Silver Resolution bi-wires with Clear Day Double Shotguns and jumpers between HF and LF speaker terminals.

04-Dec-2013:
Replaced original wooden footers under TVCs with Ebony footers. Simply unbelievable - what they did.

February 2012 - September 2012:
Been exited to have a dedicated room for this "passion". This word was emphasized by a female family friend. She was amazed by how passionately I could go on and on about this hobby. She likes classical music. Soon after we moved into our first home, I did post some questions on this forum about french doors. Those are in place now and I am happy with their looks. Per my wife (touch wood), I need to place something on the door panels for preventing reflections and maintaining privacy. Her support for me in this hobby has been outstanding and I would not have reached this far, if not for her. So, that treatment on the door will come sometimes later this year. This is a small room with 13.5'X12.5'X9' dimensions. I painted this room myself (first time, never did this before). The speakers are placed along the shorter wall. They are 40" from front wall and about 30" from side walls. They are about 7' apart with some toe-in. I sit slightly more than 7' away. All measurements are within 1/10" error. Finding the optimum position for speaker took me about 24 to 30 man hours. Though this is painful, the outcome of this exercise is mind-boggling. Got some granite to go between the floor and speakers. These are 18"X18"X1.5". This has tightened the bass and has provided necessary isolation from the wooden floor below. At the same time, added Herbie Audio Lab's Extra Thick Hush Puckies under the speaker spikes and the granite. This causes the speaker to not "ring" and provides stability to the speakers, because of the dBNeutralizer base. Since this is my own space, I added some treatments from GIK. Bryan Pape at GIK was very helpful and actually told me to go easy on the treatments. We started with 2 Tri-traps on the corners and 2 Monster Panels on the back wall directly behind the listening position. I liked the way the bass tightened up. Bryan suggested the 244 instead of 242s on the first reflection panels to take care of any phase issues as well. And that has turned pretty nice. Also got the terminations on the speaker wires changed from spades to BFA bananas. I am totally sold on the BFAs. Superb contact and fit. Some of you advised me to move the equipments from between the speakers. Though I could not do it 100%, what I did was, to disassemble the rack and use the shelfs on the floor directly. But the resulting change in the sound staging is simply fantastic. I never imagined that a rack placed between 2 speakers can mess the soundstage. With all this in place I did miss some "meat" in my system. But I thought it was the size of the room that was causing the nulls and there was probably nothing I could do. What finally brought "life" in my system was the new XLRs between the preamp (TVC) and the amp. The move from RCA to XLR in my system was nothing short of drastic. I have mentioned this on this site as well as a forum dedicated to Parasound Halo products. Apparently, there was not enough gain in my system and so the "meat" was missing on the bones, if you will. This was not so obvious in the previous apartment room, since it was small and the speakers used to be closer to the walls. In the near future, I would like to add 3 242 GIK panels on the front wall, behind the speakers. Will first experiment with the existing Monster Panels on the front wall.


March 2010:
The Parasound amp has changed my system profoundly. I cannot believe the transparency and expansiveness it has brought into my system. And it seems a very good match for my TVC as I set the TVC volume to lower levels than my previous amp.

April 2009: Added the Promitheus TVC, which took my system to an altogether different level. I did not imagine of such a performance from my system. Looking for a good power amp now. Want a power amp with high sensitivity and power - to match the TVC and also in case I upgrade my speakers at a later time.

August-2005
It took many listening sessions, forums, mags, etc to build this starter system. Was worth every minute spent for building it. Started with recommended components list - but ended with what my ears liked.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • ProAc Response D48R Loudspeakers
    Ebony with Ribbon tweeter.
    • Parasound A21
    250 watts RMS x 2, 20 Hz - 20 kHz,8Ω, Class AB Sensitivity: 1 V for 28.28 V
    • Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3
    Tube preamplifier with 2 X 12AU7 tubes
    • OPPO UDP-205
    Universal Disc player
    • Oppo 970H
    Universal player
    • Inakustik Reference Power Station AC-3500P
    Power Conditioner
    • Google Chromecast
    Casting Spotify/Tidal/etc over wi-fi
    • Auris bluMe
    Bluetooth Receiver with aptX® & AAC and AKM 4396 DAC.
    • Inakustik LS-2404 Air
    Bi-wire speaker cables
    • Clear Day XLRs
    This 1M XLR interconnect is not listed on Clear Day's website. 99.997% silvers that Paul hand polishes and uses Puresonic connectors. The connectors are like pieces of jewel and substantial. These go between the TVC and the amp.
    • Clear Day RCA
    Puresonic
    • Puresonic XLR-3F-RO/XLR-3M-RO
    XLR connectors. Jewel like and substantial. I wonder why not many cable manufacturers use these on their cables.
    • Cardes Parsec
    4 feet co-axial cable
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 10 AWG
    Amplifier Power Cord
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 12 AWG
    SACD player power cord
    • Inakustik 2502F
    Power Cord
    • Furutech FI-28(R)/FI-32(R)
    • World Market Kendall Chair
    Very comfortable chair. Suede. No support directly behind the head which means sound is not distorted. I was searching for something like this for quite some time. I looked at some LC2 and LC3 knock-offs. But they were all leather that could reflect sound. Chocolate color which also matches the GIK panels.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab Extra-Thick Hush Puckies
    Stainless Steel Isolation discs between speaker spikes and the floor. They not only provide stability, but reduced the ringing from granite, thus increasing clarity and resolution.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab grungebuster Dots
    Damping discs under each leg of the Oppo player. These are made of proprietary silicone-based vinyl elastomers with variable compliance and firmness qualities. Removed brittleness from many un-listenable CDs.
    • Herbie's Audio Lab dBNeutralizer base pads
    2 dBNeutralizer base pads under the Extra-Thick Hush Puckies. These are under the front speaker feet, only for rake. The sound stage was lifted up and allows me to use slightly higher seating chairs.
    • GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap
    For front corners behind the speakers, in coffee color.
    • GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap
    Mounted on the wall behind listening seat.
    • GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap
    Absorption panel in Coffee color, mounted at first reflection points, that also takes care of phase related issues. Plan to get 2 more to go in the center of the room behind the speakers.
    • Porterhouse Audio Porter Ports
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II
    Isolation footers for loudspeakers

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Owner
@b_limo,
Thanks for the kind words, buddy. Yes long time we have been in touch. Yes, that room is all due to my wife's support who allows me to spend time in that room. If not, it would not have been possible.
From here I would like to upgrade my interconnects to some Referenz Inakustik ones. I am floored by the transformational change their speaker cables have made in my system.

milpai

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Yowza Milpai!  You had a nice set-up 10 years ago but my goodness, its just simply fantastic now.  Congratulations on the continual work and improvements; I wouldn’t even know where you go from here honestly.  I can see that it has truly been a labor of love for you.  Well done Sir, well done 😁

b_limo

222222&text=mi
Owner
Thank You @highend64, for the kind words. I enjoy my system whenever I get a chance - which is mostly late night after kids have gone to bed.

milpai

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Hi Milpai. You have a very nice exquisite looking sytem. I enjoy looking at it. Wish I had a system like that. Enjoy and happy listening.

highend64

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Owner
Finally got the Inakustik LS-2404 AIR loudspeaker cables. These replaced the venerable Clear Day Double shotgun + Clear Day double jumpers that Paul made for me almost 6 years ago. The system is finally sounding the way I had envisioned years ago.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Seriously considering upgrading my speaker cables to the Inakustik LS-2404 AIR in bi-wires. I should stop discussing audio with @wig. He has put me in a fix now.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Hello @losperales_29, welcome to Audiogon.
While I have not heard the D20R, I have heard the D30RS and own the D48R. But in both the cases, it was the mid-range of the ProAcs that got me. Listening to my D48R currently and I absolutely do not feel the midrange lacking. No way is the piano calm on the ProAc in my setup. I have not listened to a Martin Logan, so I cannot compare the mid-ranges of the 2 loudspeakers.

The sound stage that the the ProAcs throw are humongous. I spent many hours fine tuning my placement. But that goes for any loudspeaker that you purchase. You have to set them up properly to get the best qualities out of a loudspeaker. In my room the ProAcs are 71 inches from front wall and 42 inches from side walls. So there is a lot of room for the speakers to breath. Naturally because of this speaker placement, the bass is not boomy. I recently upgraded the footers on these speakers and the bass is tight and has a definition that previously was not as prominent.
My take on ProAcs is that they are very musical speakers and will provide hours of entertainment without fatigue on your ears. If you are getting these loudspeakers for background listening, I suggest that you look elsewhere, because these grab your attention once they start playing.

What are your existing room dimensions? And what is your current front end (amplification/source/etc)?

milpai

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Hello! i´m from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I have to upgrade my old but sexy Dynaudio Audience 82 (it was from my father).

I have the possibility to heard, in the best showroom here, the Proac d20r. (with Primare cd 35, AudioResearch Vsi75 and all tellurium Q ultra silver cables with PS Audio PowerPlant P5). Room Size: 22x18 aprox.

The sound was symply amazing: natural sound, extremly detailed, sweet and very good soundstage. 

But there was a very very little problem: the midrange zone (piano for example) not have a very good explosive dynamics (like martin logan). The piano was so "calm".

With the Proac d48r (different woofers and double), how is the midrange?. Explosive or very  sweet and calm dynamics?.

What about the bass? very powerfull and controlled or big big problems in the room?.

Very important your opinion.

Best regards!

losperales_29

222222&text=mi
Owner
Thank You @b_limo .
And thank you for the Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval 8 recommendation. I was not thinking of cable upgrade at the current moment. But you just put that bug in my mind :-)
Your new system looks well set. I had posted on your system, but looks like you have not seen it. You need to post a latest pic of the system with those cables. I have heard good things about Analysis Plus.

milpai

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Your system is looking fantastic Milpai!  I’d like to recommend some Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval 8 speaker cables and rca’s!  I acquired a pair of their speaker cables last summer and they are just too good to not recommend them to you.  I think you would really enjoy them and your set-up is so nice as it is, I feel like it would benefit from them.  They are incredibly natural sounding and untangle the music is a way I have never experienced.  Incredible bass, texture and detail as well!

Again though, your roomis looking great!

b_limo

222222&text=mi
Owner
Got a great deal on the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers that I was eyeing for more than 2 years. I have mentioned in a Gaia thread on this forum, what changes I hear. But to sum it up, I would say, the footer bring great "naturalness" to the system. I still have to get accustomed to the fact that the speaker rock left-right when pushed a bit.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
@pdreher ,
Thank You sir!
You have a nice system, with some exquisite equipment. My dealer keeps telling me that I should upgrade to tube power amp for the ProAcs.
I see that you have GIK tri-traps in the front corners. Do you have the same in the back corners as well? They make a huge difference.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
@b_limo,
Thank You for the kind words. Much appreciated.
Loos like you have been to RMAF and have experienced a lot more. Do you plan to make any upgrades?

milpai

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Gorgeous speaker!  Those are on my bucket list.

pdreher

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You have one of my favorite systems Milpai.  Your speakers are gorgeous.  I love how cleanly executed your set-up is!  Really nice choices as well.

b_limo

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Owner
Been 2 weeks with the new power cord. The first couple of days seems as if nothing changed. After a week or so, it was as if something major changed in he presentation for good. Amazing clarity and images are presented with pin point location in space.  Can play much louder and still maintain the clarity. Don't understand what technology this power conditioner uses,  but whatever it does, seems magic. Huge stage, clean presentation,  deep soundstage.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Added more pics of the Inakustik power conditioner and the upgraded power cord, 2502F. Have not had a chance to listen to the system with the new power cord. This power cord is quite a bit step up compared to the standard power cord that came with the unit. It is terminated with Furutech connectors.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Added the Inakustic AC-3500p to the system. Never imagined a power conditioner can make such a difference in a system. And this is with the standard power cord which came with the unit. Will upgrade the power cord soon.
People who term power conditioners as "snake oil" fall in one of the following categories:
1. Have poor resolution systems
2. Not heard a good one
3. No clue what they are talking about
4. Poor hearing

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
@b_limo ,
Thank you for the kind words.
Yeah, I made major changes to my system last year including the loudspeakers, preamp, and CD player. I wish I had that nack of decorating the room with artifacts that I see in other systems, that make the room more inviting instead of just looking like a studio.
Really good to hear from you after several years. I hope everything is fine on your side. Would love to see your new setup, when you update it.

milpai

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Milpai, Buddy, your system looks amazing!!  I’m so happy to see where you’ve come with it. It truly looks fantastic and I bet it sounds even better.  

I’ve always been a fan of clean looking setups and rooms and yours is up there with my favorites :-)

Well Done!!

b_limo

222222&text=mi
Owner
Scott,
Thank You for the kind words!

milpai

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Beautiful room and system, milpai. I've really enjoyed watching the progression of your system of over the years.

Cheers,

Scott

samac

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Owner
Sold my TVC last night. I have a feeling that I should not have done it. Should have retained it. It is after all a transformer with no circuits inside. So no chance of anything going bad. Would have come in handy if something were to happen to the Rhumba.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Got my first ever tube component - the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier. Yes, it took me almost 4 years to move from the TVC to an active preamp. But the time and research was well worth. The best thing about this preamp is, even though it is active, it did not diminish the transparency of my system (which I was worried about with an active preamp), while adding more dynamics in my system.

milpai

222222&text=mi
Owner
Hi @gulpson,
That much space was really not necessary. But a 3-4 incl space was needed when the TVC was being used. This is because if the Bluetooth receiver was placed too close or next to the TVC, that would generate a slight hum in the speakers.
I have recently moved from the TVC to Backert Lab's Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier. I plan to change the layout of the components and the pictures when I get a chance during the long weekend.

milpai

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