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My objective was to assemble an audio system that reproduces a natural and believable sound. Getting a DHT SET amplifier was a big and effective move towards that goal. The tone,timbre and harmonics are very well rendered. I listen to music at home often and for long periods of time. It is an enjoyable and emotionally involving experience. I'm happy with my system.
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    • BPT Signature 3.5 plus
    Balanced AC power is fantastic! All aspects of music reproduction are improved for every single component.
    • Tripoint Troy
    Grounding box that among other proprietary parts features a magnetic module. Beautiful, honest tone, density, harmonics and superb resolution. It simply sounds natural and real. The Troy has a humanistic aspect that allows the music to live and breath emotionally.
    • Coincident Speaker Tech Total eclipse 2
    This wonderful speaker is transparent,open and involving. It`s large yet completely disappears as the source of sound within the room.Very easy to drive,94db and 14 ohm load. I replaced the stock Solens capacitor with the Duelund CAST in the crossover.
    • Coincident Statement linestage
    Superb performance. In my opinion , a masterpiece by Israel Blume. As would be expected, a wonderful match with its sibling the Frankenstein MK II.
    • Coincident Speaker Tech Frankenstein mark 2
    A terrific 300b SET amplifier that is the foundation of my system. Sublime with the Elrog ER 300b tubes. Obtaining this amplifier lead to a permanent change of perspective as to how I listen to music with increased appreciation.
    • Yamamoto YDA-01
    Wonderful music lover's DAC that has a very natural/organic sound quality. Duelund CAST addition(output coupling capacitors) makes it sound even better. It has a very minimalist circuit/design that was implemented well.
    • PS Audio perfect wave
    This is an excellent memory based transport. Life-like presentation and quite transparent and natural.
    • Ocellia Silver Reference
    Very natural and pure sounding with excellent tone,overtones and harmonics.
    • Ocellia Silver Reference
    Same qualities/ comments as the IC.
    • Star Sound Technologies Sistrum
    These Star Sound platforms are mandatory in my system. Effectively managing resonance and vibration leads to a very noticeable sound improvement with every component and especially the speakers. Excellent product.
    • High Fidelity CT1 Ultimate Digital cable
    A highly impressive digital cable that mates beautifully into my system. Contributes to the natural sound presentation.
    • Synergestic Research Quantum
    High quality fuse placed in my DAC,amplifier and linestage. Very noticeable improvement of clarity,transparency and presence compared to the standard fuse.Cost effective.
    • Pro-Ject Audio Systems RS CD Box RS2T
    This is simply a superb Redbook CD playback transport. It has supplanted the P.S.Audio Perfect Wave Transport (10 years of enjoyment and reliability). It has improved resolution,  dynamics and inner/micro detail. The presentation is  more organic, fluid with deeper and more intense emotional connection to the listening experience.

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Jon,
I understand 😊. “Nocturne “ is one of my  favorite Oliver Nelson recordings. Really beautiful along with Lem Winchester on vibraphone. An under appreciated session. Now I have to listen to it 😊.
Charles 

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Jon,
Yep my fault, you did say “arranged” which is even better 😊.
Listening right now. When I have the time I can listen to jazz for hours at a time.
Charles 

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Hi Jon,
You're welcome but the thanks works in both directions. Oliver Nelson produced recordings for the Shirley Scott trio? I'll have to find these  two for certain. That's the thing about jazz. I've been listening for several decades and yet there's constantly new/unknown recordings to pursue.  It's genuinely amazing how much jazz music has been recorded over the years. Furthermore the overwhelming majority of it is sooooo good.
Charles 

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Hi Jon,
I hope that you’re able to find both recordings. Turretine and Oliver Nelson have different approaches to the tenor sax. Yet each really work well with Scott. Your tube amp and Audio Note DAC will do them righteous justice 😊.
Charles 

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Jon,
Are you familiar with B3 organist Shirley Scott? I’m quite certain that you’d like her. There are really good records of her with (Ex husband) Stanley Turretine. For example “Blue Flame” . Also “Blue Seven” with Oliver Nelson tenor saxophone. She swings big time.
Charles 

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Hi Jon,
I’m very familiar with Charles Earlsnd, you have good taste 😊.
I love the Hammond B3 organ in jazz and especially when paired with a jazz guitarist.

Given the make up of your audio system I know all these fabulous musicians playing wonderful jazz are reproduced beautifully.
Charles 

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Hi Jon,
It’s always nice to hear from you. I have that Marsalis recording, no doubt that you’re enjoying it.

Speaking of Live recordings I don’t know if you are a Thelonious Monk fan or not. If so I strongly recommend “Live At The It Club” and “Live At The Jazz Workshop “.

Both recorded in the early 1960s when his quartet was in top form. His musical soulmate Charlie Rouse is there beautifully on tenor saxophone. Excellent playing by all 4 musicians and the club feel and atmosphere is very well captured.

Happy Memorial weekend to you Jon.
Charles 

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Hi Cal,
I was not aware of this site, thanks for bringing it to my attention.  I will definitely give it a visit.
Charles 

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Hi Cal,
Thanks for the link. As fellow musicians would say when displaying respect for one of their brethren,  "that cat can play"!
Charles 

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Jon,
Thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out. 
Charles 

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Jon,
I'm a permanent completely embedded jazz aficianodo,  it just saturates my entire being and I know you understand 😊. Just recently finished listening to some Doug Raney . He died only a few years ago of pneumonia.  I was thinking about him and had to play some of his music. A wonderful jazz guitarist (As was his dad Jim Raney) genes! 😊. Jon feel free to pass along artists and recordings anytime. 
Charles 
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Hi Dan,
 It's really nice to hear you, it has been quite some time. So good to know that you are still enjoying your Tannoys surrounded by the beautiful Pacific Northwest. 
Charles 

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Hi Jon,
It's very nice to hear from you. Since the Audiogon site changes years back, traffic here (System page)  is a tiny fraction of what it once was. To the point where I hardly check - in anymore.  Yes, I've had no reason to change my system at all. Still very much happy with what I have and listening to jazz😃.

Hi Mark,
I was just referring to  "What's best forum"  , their audio forums look under amplifiers and you'll find many interesting threads.
Charles 

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Hi Chris,
Thank you for your kind words, I appreciate that.  I did receive an email notification regarding a comment on my system page. I truly miss the way it used to be on this forum. My system page was an open hang out site and generated a lot of responders and many fun and very interesting topics. You're right the changes made on Audiogon just killed that activity.  I don't even look at this page anymore the last several years. I definitely miss the comarderie that was once here. 
Charles 

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Oops,
Just realized that you "missed" getting the Frankenstein,  my error. 
Charles 

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Hello Dentdog, 
I just saw your post today!
The XLS  tubes will only provide the additional wattage in amplifiers specifically designed to utilize the increased power.  The Frankenstein is not designed to extract this additional power. It is strictly an 8 watt SET amplifier. I chose to use this tube due to its very rugged built quality and it sounds wonderful in the Frankenstein. Are you happy with the amplifier thus far?
Charles 

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Tony,
Sorry for the typos in the first paragraph, damm autospell feature.  I should have edited before sending 😊. 
Charles 

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Wow! Afc 
Man, I've often wondered what had happened to you,  it's as if you totally vanished one day 😁😁. I hope you are doing well.  Last time we talked I was using the Shuguang Black Treasure tubes and enjoying themselves. I still consider them very good 300b tubes.  Better yet IMO are Takatsuki  (very expensive Japanese tube) and the EML XLS  (experience (European tube). Both are superb in the Frankenstein amplifier.  In the past couple of years I've settled on the EML XLS.  It is exceptionally rugged,  reliable and really mates well with the Frankenstein.  The Takatsuki is a superb choice by any standard and certainly some would prefer it to the EML. 

Bottom line is that you can't possibly go wrong with either,  the EML XLS is less expensive and for me pushes all the right buttons in my system. I also tried the German Elrog 300b, again expensive with superb sound quality but proved to be unreliable with the Frankenstein circuit 😣. The EML is a workhorse type of tube that possess wonderful sound.  Field reports say that it has a life expectancy of 40,000 hours due to the heavy duty construction. 

Tony,  the Coincident Statement Line Stage is honestly fantastic and obviously a natural match with the Frankenstein.  I have not heard the EAR preamplifier but it has earned much praise over the years.  I don’t like to say that "this blows that away " just too many factors and personal preferences to talk in that manner. The CSL is utterly pure and natural sounding and exceptionally open,  dynamic and transparent  (just like the Frankenstein). Tony it's so good to hear from you. 
Charles 

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Hi Dentdog,
I just saw your post today! Sorry about that. With the changes to the audiogon virtual systems section I find it more difficult to know when I receive new comments/postings. Based on Equi- Tech's reputation I'd feel very comfortable with them  for sure.  Balanced AC power is terrific IMO foraudio systems. 
Charles 

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Hi Joe,
Sorry but I didn't see your post until this morning  (I don't like the new format for virtual systems ). No I didn't have the red tube plate issue you describe. I did develop a cold solder joint that had to be corrected. Joe you can post on my system page regarding any topic at any time. I just wish we could have notification of new postings on our system pages. 
Charles, 

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Hi Andrew, 
Yes I own this recording and it is an excellent recommendationfor fans of Gerry Mulligan(and Art Farmer ).
Charles, 

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Hi Rebbi,
It's very nice to hear from you and I'm happy to know that you found such a good speaker match for your terrific SET  amplifier. 

Hi Scott, 
You have the newer versions of the Coincident components which use different fuses than mine which were purchased new in 2009. In my older units  The Frankenstein mono block and the CSL use a single 3 amp 250 volt slo blo small size fuse. 
Charles, 

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Hi Kenny,
I suspected that the TW 300b is a really top tier SET amplifier , no doubt that it sounds wonderful. 
Charles, 

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Kenny,
By the way,  how are your Raven 300b SETs matching up with the Hornings? 
Charles, 

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Kenny,
You have the highly regarded Horning speakers,  I am certain you'll find a way to get them to work in your room. You've really put together an exceptional system. 
Charles, 

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Hi Jond,
You've so right!  I wish the system threads had been kept as part of the recent activity section. I had no idea that people are posting on my system page. I wish that there was a notification aspect regarding postings. 
Charles, 

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I apologize to all of you who have posted on my thread and haven't received any response from me. Ever since the new audiogon format change I don't keep up with my system page as in the past. 

Kenny, I believe that your Tron Phono stage would be a terrific match with the CSL. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. 

Jond, thanks for the recording recommendation, I'll seek it out. 

2ndliner (Michael), thanks for your kind comments. I have not viewed this thread in about 3 months, sorry I didn't see your post sooner. I can call you tomorrow if you're still interested. 
Charles, 

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Hello Al,
Thank you very much.
Charles,

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Hi Rebbi,
 For some reason I can't access that address.

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Hi Sal,
I'm glad you found the problem and corrected it. I agree with you, the Ocellia fly under the radar for sure. They just seem to be the ideal cable match for my taste and system character. I'm very happy to have discovered them a few years ago.
I have their IC and SC but not the power cables, I'm sure I'd love those as well.
The latest Coincident PC and the Cruze First Maestro PC interest me as well.
Charles,

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Hi Chris,
Sorry,  with the new site changes I was unaware of new messages. I haven't heard the Coincident speaker cable. I've heard their IC and they are "really" quite good so I suspect the SC is every bit as good. The ICs are very open,transparent and natural IMO. In direct comparison with the Ocellia IC, the Ocellia is even more organic and seem a touch fuller as well as harmonically richer(subtle different). I believe you'd be very happy with the Coincident SC.
Charles,

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Hi Brett,
It's good to hear from you, its been awhile. Thank you for the thoughtful comments and have a very happy Thanksgiving day.
Charles,

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Jond,
Thanks, I'll try it out. Freddie Hendrix and Dezron Douglas are unfamiliar to me. I look forward to hearing them.

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Andrew,
6 Moons has a current review of the Golden Gate DAC, they like it.

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Andrew,
Have you compared the 101D and the 300b in your DAC?
I use 101D(Line stage) and 300b(amplifier). Both are superb music communicators, so I'm curious how these tubes fare in a very high quality source component such as your Lampizator Golden Gate.
Charles,

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Andrew,
Here's a return token of appreciation for you. They may be unknown jazz guitarists to you but both of them can play!

Doug Raney, "You Go To My Head"

Jimmy Ponder, "What's New"
Charles,

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Andrew,
Thanks for this one. I listened to the amazon samples, this guy can play! I've never heard of this French jazz guitarist, I like him and the other two musicians on this recording. I know of many jazz guitarists but there's always someone new to discover. I ordered it tonight.
Charles,

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Hi Jond,
I grew up in Detroit during the Motown heyday of the 1960-70s. We lived less than a mile from the original studio on West Grand BLVD. It wasn't uncommon to see and interact with the artists and musicians in those days, fun times.
Charles,

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I Listened to "The Boss" today and I like it. The title cut is my favorite, it just swings! Drummer Shinji Mori really caught my ear, he was influenced by the great Elvin Jones, it shows. This is a very well done live recording with the presence, energy and drive intact. Thanks Lak for this recommendation.
Charles,

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Jond,
I listened to Knuffke again tonight and I really like him. I prefer him to the "atmospheric" ECM recordings I've tried. Here are a few more you may like.

Yusef Lateef "Cry!-Tender"
Elmo Hope "Homecoming"
Doug Raney "You Go To My Head"
Charles,

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Now something very different but oh so good. Julie London "Julie Is Her Name" Volume II. This is her, guitarist Howard Roberts and bassist Red Mitchell. Sultry and engaging, Roberts is accompanying gorgeously (so is Mitchell with natural, beautiful acoustic bass). Julie doesn't have the vocal range of Sarah Vaughan(who does?) but I like her a lot! This is a very good recording that I'll listen to on a regular basis. Another very good one by her is "Julie" this time with a big band and done very well. Both of these were recorded in 1958, they knew what they were doing.

One last recommendation is Harold Land "West Coast Blues" this features an excellent sextet playing some beautiful music. Land is a superb tenor saxophonist.
Charles,

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Jond,
I received my CD of Kirk Knuffke "Arms & Hands" today. It's definitely Avantgarde and is good. It passed my "will I listen to it again" test. Kirk is a good player and is influenced by Don Cherry based on my listening. After I played this recording it put me in the mood for to play Ornette Coleman "The Shape Of Jazz To Come". They are cut from the same stylistic cloth. Kirk has a very good tone on his cornet. I'd like to hear him play some "straight ahead" jazz out of curiosity. Now I'm listening to Ornette's "Tomorrow IsThe Question".
Charles,

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Okay I seem to have good outcomes with the name Yamamoto so I ordered "Midnight Sugar". While in an ordering mood I got Sonny Rollins "The Bridge"(long overdue). This is said to have sublime playing by Jim Hall and excellent interactions between him and Rollins. I just love good jazz guitar accompanying (oh those beautiful chords they play!). I'm really looking forward to listening to both of these recordings.
Charles,

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Hello, If any of you are fans of Oliver Nelson I strongly recommend "Nocturne". He plays both the alto and tenor saxophones and is joined by vibraphonist Lem Winchester. He plays beautifully from beginning to end!
Charles,

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Hi Jond
Yes, that is a good term for this music. I could listen to this type of music for certain periods of time but not on a regular basis. Compared to this, the Tardo Hammer style of playing is my preference.
Charles,
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Well if the these YouTube samples are representative of his type of music, he is definitely in the more abstract realm of Jazz than the straight ahead bop or modal genre I like. I could see this recording being used for demonstration music at audio shows given it sound quality more so than the music. Of course this is simply a reflection of individual taste among us all. I suspect "The Boss". Is probably more of what I generally listen to. I am willing to try new stuff of course, but that YouTube video reminds me of an ECM type of aesthetic and sound.
Charles

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Okay Lak I'm trusting your taste, I ordered this recording. I will say that the few XRCDs that I own are very good.
Charles,

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Lak,
Thanks, I will search for a listening sample.

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Jond,
I ordered it and look forward to hearing a new and unfamiliar musician.

charles1dad

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Jond is it Avantgarde? I'm not a huge fan of that genre (with few exceptions). I will check it out, thanks for the recommendation.
Charles,

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Hi Lak,
I'm glad you appreciate and enjoy those recordings. They are very gifted musicians who many may not be aware of.
Charles,

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Jond,
That is indeed good news concerning Monk. He is one of my very favorite composer/musician. I have the upmost respect for his enormous talent and contributions to jazz music.
Jond, we both use the same Yamamoto DAC so I think I have some idea of the excellent sound you must hear at home. It is terrific with RBCD, just a joy!
Charles,

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Jond,
You are welcome.
Jazz streaming that offers no Monk, how is that even possible?
If you listen to CDs the Tardo Hammer I suggested is exceptionally well done. I'm listening to Shirley Scott "Blue Seven" at the momment, just love her playing that Hammond B3, such flow and swing!
Charles,

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Jond,
I hope you like the recordings, taste can certainly vary amongst all of us. The Tardo Hammer recording I recommended is a good mixture of music composed by Tadd Dameron. Both beautifulI ballads and uptempo Bop.
Charles,

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Thanks Gary, I'm not familiar with that group. I will seek them out.

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Thanks Guys,
I have so many recordings to recommend that I really enjoy listening to. I'll continue to post from time to time for those who are interested.
Charles,

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For those interested in jazz, here are a few CDs I've enjoyed this weekend and some of you may like as well.
1, Roni Ben-Hur guitarist, "Sofia's Butterfly" and "Backyard". Roni is a first rate musician from Israel who was mentored by the master Bop pianist Barry Harris.

2, Bobby Broom guitarist, "Plays For Monk" and "My Shining Hour". A terrific player from Chicago.

3, Tardo Hammer pianist , "Look, Stop & Listen". Based out of NYC. He can play!

4, John Coltrane Tenor Saxophone, "John Coltrane Plays For Lovers" a compilation of ballads from the mid-late 1950s. These are prior to his transition phase to modal explorations. Classic big beautiful Coltrane tenor.

5, Theloneous Monk pianist, "Live At The Jazz Workshop". Beautiful Monk in small jazz venue.
Charles,

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Spencer,
I really appreciate your kind comments, thank you.
I have read your system page and I am certain you are enjoying marvelous sound and music.
Charles,

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Bill,
I'm looking forward to seeing what you've been up to.

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Hi Jet,
Thanks for your comments. I sure hope that the gremlins can be kept away this time around. Jet I enjoy reading about your system explorations and discoveries regarding various modifications and tweaks. If I ever get back to New York City I'd love to hear your system.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
It makes me feel good to know that you're steadily getting settled down in your Tennessee home and able to enjoy your excellent system again. I am always interested in reading opinions and listening impressions from you.
Charles,

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System edited: Well, I'm glad I was able to get my system page description/pictures posted again. Hopefully they won't disappear again. Charles,

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Cyrus,
I had roughly 160 -175 hours on them. The warranty is 6 months.
Charles,

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Chris,
It is really interesting how a given brand of 300b tube can provide different results/impressions depending on the particular amplifier. The EML XLS is an ideal match with the Frankenstein, a used pair of these tubes represent exceptional value. While I eagerly await my replacement Elrogs I have had a ball listening to the EMLs in the meantime.
Charles,

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Regarding my system page individual descriptions and pictures, one day they just vanished. I notified audiogon but never received a response. I've been unable to reestablish them.
Charles,

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Chris,
At one time I was very curious regarding the First Watt SIT 1 and 2 amplifiers given their designer and very simple circuit implementation. I came to the conclusion that they're likely excellent amplifiers. I just don't believe they will match the very good SETs in believable tactile presence, pure naturalness and instrumental tone/harmonic overtones. No doubt that the SIT amps have their own unique strengths but I can relate to your direct comparison vs the Frankenstein.
Charles,

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Hi Chris,
I'm gratified that your new system turned out so well and you're very pleased. No doubt that is quite a switch in direction from your Pass Lab/Thiel pairing. Your results with electronica/Rap doesn't surprise me. Although I am predominantly a jazz music aficionado, what ever music genre I choose to listen to sounds "really" good and authentic. The Frankenstein is a fabulous amplifier and you chose an excellent speaker to mate with it. I know you appreciate the natural sound quality they present.
Charles,

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Spirit,
You're very pleased with the state of your system and justifiably so. This suggests that the NAT SET 211 mono blocks were the right direction/choice for you (I'm not the least bit surprised).
Charles,

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Hi Spirit,
Nice to hear from you. I am very happy for your successful results given that 4K isn't a trivial amount of money especially when spent on capacitors. I happen to believe that the Duelund CAST are a superior quality product and justify their cost. I feel that you would agree with with the high esteem I have for them. They have been stellar additions in my speakers and DAC and epitomizes natural sound reproduction and increasedmusical/emotional involvement. You'll forever appreciate this decision every time you listen to your music. I certainly do.
Charles,

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Jeff,
Be aware that by posting pictures you'll be subject to harsh critical analysis of photography quality. It's a cruel world.
Charles,

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Agear,
I feel much more comfortable making recommendations regarding the 300b tube as opposed to the 845 tubes. My 845 experience is based on listening to Jwm's Absolare PSET amp. The Pavane W.E. Replica was clearly better than the cheaper Chinse tubes and his NOS RCAs. The results could be different with other brands of 845 amplifiers but it was certainly easy to hear with Jeff's amplifier.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
I've enjoyed following your system thread and explorations concerning your custom 300b SET amplifier. So I look forward to your impressions of the Audio Note power supply capacitors. I am very curious to see how they affect the sound compared to the oil and also the polypropylene capacitors.

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Bill,
Wow! A person with your experience/talent not modifying your amplifier is a significant occurrence and speaks to your satisfaction with it. I would have thought that the temptation/opportunity is too great for you to resist. Just as Joe said, it's so nice to be at a point where you can't wait to turn on your system and just enjoy music. Joe you nailed it.
Charles,

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Bill,
I get your point, it is a matter of getting the right mix of components. This does require some trial and error effort but is worth the time. Given where you are at this point in time, there's no logical reason to upset this terrific balance you have.Is your personality that of one who can't leave well enough alone?
Charles,

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Bill,
In my opinion one very important factor in your success is choosing a serious, well designed and well implemented SET amplifier. Your Larry Moore amplifier is far superior to your past SET(P) Dennis Had amp.which IMO is just a decent budget type of amplifier(small,cheap transformers/power supply). YourMonaco 845 resides in a much higher tier and complements the rest of your system.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I am very happy that venturing down that pathway has been so sucessful for you. It completely changed my perspective and significantly increase my enjoyment of listening to music six years ago. So of course I know The joy and complete satisfaction you are experiencing at this point. DHT SET is a superb foundation to achieve fully emotionally satisfying music in the home as far as I'm concerned. And yes the of Yamamoto DAC is the ideal partner for this type of presentation. I am utterly pleased with this type of system.
Charles,

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Hi Brett,
I'm a fan of Wallace Roney but I don't have that particular recording, thanks for the recommendation. As a coincidence I happen to be listening to trumpeter Blue Mitchell at the moment.

Brett I'll return the favor and recommend Bruce Babad "A Tribute To Paul Desmond". This is a very good live jazz club recording and Babad can really play! I believe that you'd enjoy this quite a bit.
Charles,

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Jordan,
Well said and I agree fully with your point. In the big picture these are minuscule differences that can be exaggerated unintentionally when splitting hairs to describe sonic distinctions. I am convinced by common sense and your experiences with these 3 amplifiers that they're superb conveyors of music beauty and emotion. Each amplifier brings its own unique strengths and characteristics. All three amplifiers would be an asset in constructing a high level natural sounding system.
Charles,

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Jordan,
Thanks for responding to my curious inquiry. There's always some level of trade offs amongst equally excellent choices. If the Golden Dreams(GD) allow more connection to the music, no question this would be my choice as well vs the Black Shadow amplifier. Given that the GD are PSET I'm surprised you say the lower power Frankenstein has more "shove". I have no doubt your GD/Melody P2688 combo is marvelous sounding in your home. You have built an exceptional system.
Charles,

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This sensitivity to cables of the PWT I believe is a reflection of its high resolution transparent nature. It seeming reveals what you attach to it.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I'm glad you decided to try to go down this route and it has worked out so well for you. This type of system approach has served me fabulously over the past five years. As you have noted, a very natural and non electronic sound that conveys much musical information and emotion. Your initial PWT impression had me puzzled , I knew something wasn't quite right and I'm glad you were able to straighten it out. The biggest problem you will face now is finding a way to turn the system off as you'll be so involved with your music. As Brownsfan likes to say, life is good!
Charles

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Yes, that price is an utter steal when you consider how excellent it sounds. It really delivers in the realm of natural or holistic music reproduction.
Charles,

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Acman3,
How did you discover the Yamamoto DAC? I'm always pleasantly surprised when I find other users of this little known Japanese gem. Which did you have first, the PWT or the Yamamoto?
Charles,

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Bill,
That makes a lot of sense, it very well could be your particular digital cable. I know that Jeff got very different sound depending on which cable he used with the transport. The Sablon cable is highly regarded and will likely be transparent and a very good fit in your system.I believe with this different cable your outcome is going to be just fine.
Charles,

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It is said that the PWT is sensitive to digital and power cables. I don't know for sure as I haven't tried many. I use a Coincident power cord and the High Fidelity CT1-Ultimate digital cable , these are fine. I have to believe that there are numerous good options for cables.
Charles,

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Correction,
Jeff has the Aesthetix Pandora DAC(with the stealth capacitor upgrade) not the Romulus CD player(he had this formerly).Bottom line, as a memory transport the PWT improved the sound of what ever it was paired with.
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Bill,
This is why I find making recommendations tough, there're always unknown variables to account for. I felt as comfortable suggesting the PWT to you as I did with the Yamamoto DAC(or Star Sound as another example). Both are terrific in my system. I've heard the CEC TL1 vs the PWT with different DACs and the PWT was easily the better sounding in my opinion. So I don't know what's different in your particular case(simply different ears?). the PWT in my system and Jeff's is very dynamic, open and alive. It's very transparent and just allows the DACs character to shine through. Maybe it just requires some more time to open up for you. The PWT with Jeff's Aesthetix Romulus or my Yamamoto are superb matches.
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Bill,
It is a small world, the Yamamoto DAC flies under the radar in this country. I'm glad you have both transports to directly compare and decide which one is better for you.
Charles,

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Bill, I could see this being a specific isolated problem for some owners,it just hasn't happen to me. I feel as comfortable recommending the PWT as I do the Yamamoto DAC based on my experiences with both.
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Well no such problems for me in over 5 years of use. Mine is as quiet as a mouse during playback of CDs. I wouldn't hold it in such high esteem if it had those issues. I can't account for other's experiences. As far as I know Jeff has no noise problems with his either.
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Bill,
Jeff has the TL1 transport.

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Bill,
A match made in heaven indeed! This is so true and what an achievement. My ears were use to the excellent standards set by the Takatsuki and EML XLS. All the high caliber systems I'd hear at CES yet I couldn't wait to get home and listen to my system (so natural). This is what I had grown accustom to. Well the Elrogs have push the sound further in that direction. This is significant for me as dynamics, tone, timbre and harmonics have move beyond those two wonderful 300bs. The Elrogs have more richness and genuine color saturation with the addition of exquisite clarity and nuance retrieval. If the reliability of these tubes are proven over time, I will give them the highest recommendation to interested owners of 300b amplifiers.
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Bill (Grannyring),
That CEC is a very good transport, Jeff and I have heard it with the Romulus CD, Pandora and the Yamamoto DAC. The PS Audio PWT is however a step above in sound quality. It's a memory player and that may be the difference. It's more open, resolute, transparent and dynamic yet exceptionally organic and emotionally involving. A superb transport with Jeff's Aesthetix and my Yamamoto DACs.
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Bill,
I can verify Jeff's comments as I've heard the above mentioned combinations in his system. Conventional wisdom would suggest that the internal disc player would be preferable (eliminating separate transport, cable aand a power cord). Listening confrimed what Jeff wrote. Similar to the passive/ direct compared to an active preamp.I should like the simplicity of the former (I prefer simply usually) but my ears choose an active instead.

Bill(Brownsfan),
Right now I'm listening to Sarah Vaughn and it's insanely beautiful with the Franks/Elrog doing its thing, what a joy this match is.
Charles,

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Rrsclyde,
I haven't had my Elrogs very long and have roughly 120
hours of playing time. So far no problems but time will tell. I hope that they prove to be reliable, they are superior sounding tubes.
Charles,

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Bill,
I was curious if it appealed to you in the same manner as it does with me. I see that it does. The realism and natural character it has just connects emotionally and draws you in.
Charles,

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Bill (Grannyring),
What do you hear that's different with your CEC and Yamamoto DAC compared to the excellent Aesthetix Romulus you had? Seems you can't go wrong with either choice.
Charles,

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John,
I completely understand your perspective.
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Hi John,
I'm glad you stuck with those tubes and gave them adequate break in time. As I said before they had served me quite well. I've used Andy in the past and was satisfied with his service and product. You certainly seem to be getting great pleasure with your custom(transformers and capacitors) AN kit 300b SET. You took that chance and are well rewarded for doing so.
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Joe,
Since my daughter has graduated from NYU(moved to LA) I don't visit NYC much anymore. Next time I do I'll look you up.
Charles,

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Hi Joe,
I've compared those two tubes on another thread. In a nutshell the Takatsuki is an excellent 300b. The Elrog takes its attributes a bit further. More dynamics and bass impact(and texture) harmonically a bit richer and nuanced. There isn't a wide gap between them(due to the Takatsuki high standard).Vocals via the Elrogs are a bit more realistic/human/tactile. The brilliant qualities of Takatsuki advances a 1/2 step more. This is noteworthy given the high bar set by the Takatsuki. Elrog has the finesse with additional weight and scale. We'll see what you think in due time.
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Dan and Joe,
I've ordered your CD recommendations via Amazon and look forward to listening to them soon.
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Hello Joe,
Thanks very much for the CD suggestions, I'll follow up on them. I can never have too much good music to listen to. and enjoy Joe let me know your impression of the Elrogs. I find them simply superb but that doesn't mean everyone else will necessarily have the same opinion.
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Dan,
Thanks for the recommendation. I am unfamiliar with this particular artist but I will certainly check him out. Are you familiar with pianist Tardo Hammer? This guy can play! "Look Stop And Listen" is one of his best recordings. He plays the music of Tadd Dameron and it is beautiful music.
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Theloneous Monk "Live At The Jazz Workshop" is terrific!
I just got this 2 CD recording today. It is every bit as excellent as " Live At The It Club" . Monk and his quartet in top form. Highly recommended.
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Spirit,
The individual pictures and descriptions of my audio components are still missing. I always had a gut feeling that that NAT-audio components were very special, your happiness has confirmed that. The extraordinary musical and natural sounding components are the ones that you can keep for years and years and simply enjoy them.
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Jond,
I understand your admiration. The Yamamto is musically superb and fits my system in an excellent manner. In the five years that I have happily use this DAC I have not come across anything that makes me want to replace it. This DAC along with my Coincident components are just staying here for many more enjoyable years. Grannyring has recently gotten this DAC and he is very pleased with its sound quality.
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The sonic view is terrific at this altitude.
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Hi Bill,
Okay I'm back to reality now. I posted an Elrog ER 300b update earlier today on the ongoing thread. We're both fortunate guys, what a pure joy they are in the Frankenstein.IMO a mandatory pairing, Just as is the Psvane W.E. Replica 101D in the CSL.
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I've finally seen the light and will transition to high power class D amplifier(3000 watts per channel)and 74 db sensitive speakers with a nominal impedance load of 1.5 ohms. LOL!

Actually I don't know happened. One day all of the system description and component pictures were just gone.
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Yes,
These Elrog tubes offer tremendous value as far as I am concerned. They are not inexpensive but given the superior level of performance and sound quality they provide , they are worth every penny they cost in my opinion. This is not always the case for expensive products but the Elrogs come through brilliantly in this regard.
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Hi Bill,
My admiration for Dr. Schaffernicht and his Elrog tube is also quite high. It is as you note a smooth ,refined and organic sound yet with superb resolution. This is a benchmark for the 300b tubes. I still wonder how much of this result is due to the thoriated tungsten filament in place of the typical oxide coated filament.
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Blll
I have my Yamamoto on a Star Sound Apprentice for vibration management and this is a very effective match. The Apprentice definitely is an asset. The sound becomes even more open, dynamic, just better in every way.
Charles

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Bill
The Yamamoto actually has good caps. But they are not Jupiter or Duelund CAST quality. Your improved sound is no surprise, and silver wire is a plus IMO.

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Hi Bill,
I'm glad it met your expectations and I agree, it is special. I've had mine for 4 years and it isn't going anywhere. It's such a simple circuit/design, that's likely the key to its terrific sound quality.
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Bill,
I understand what you are saying. A quick a/b comparision is misleading in this case. The longer I listened to the SET the more my appreciation grew(and continues to do so 6 years later!). I think I'm just especially moved by what they do compared to most other people. They hit the right buttons that drew me into music in the first place. The point is that we're all truly individuals when it comes to this level. I'm no longer interested in endless debates about which type of amplifier is better. I just know what I prefer and leave it at that.

Your speakers are obviously efficient and an easy load to do this well with 10 watts.It will be interesting to learn your impressions as this amplifier accumulates hours of use.
Charles,

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Bill reading left to right.
Honestly each listener, component and system is just different. I had a very good SS amp, Symphonic Line. The Frankenstein is just a more realistic sound and better across the board. That's just me and what I'm drawn to. You have two excellent amplifiers you can rotate in and out as you wish. I know you're having a ball. Regarding the Yamamoto I agree with you. It just makes music and keeps you involved. That's what emotion will do when it's conveyed.
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Hi Bill,
I placed it in the direction of the label/letters. It sounds so right I didn't bother reversing direction to compare. Your fuse is a step up from my SR Quantum, so should sound even better.
I took the DAC's top cover off 3 years ago and just left it that way. How are the DAC and the Monaco SET amplifier coming along? I look forward to reading your impression of the Jupiter caps in the Yamamoto. The Duelund CAST worked out superbly in mine.
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Hi thaluza ,
I'm happy the amplifier has worked out well for you.
Charles,

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Hi Roxy54,
I used that tube successfully for quite a while. It will improve based on my experience with them. I hope it isn't a case of an odd tube/amplifier mismatch qhich happens sometimes.

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I don't know what or how it happened, my system page individual pictures and text are completely gone.

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Bill,
Another point to mention. When you'll look inside the DAC you notice a lot of free space(much room for larger caps if needed). Shigeki Yamamoto believes in fewer part count for a simpler/purer circuit.No Op amps or NFB at all. A single resistor forI/V conversion. Only a single transistor per channel, only one filter is used in this DAC, very minimalist concept and execution. Same simpler design as with your SET. No wonder you describe your sound/music as beautiful. This is all happening(both new components) with just the stock parts!
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Bill,
Honestly, I was pretty confident you'd be very impressed with the Yamamoto DAC. No hifi sound, just excellent natural music reproduction. It conveys the emotion and soul of music wonderfully and your focus is drawn into the music. I also thought your 845 SET would be very impressive. I really like the design of this amplifier(lower voltage and stress on the output tubes). Again, a component made for natural music reproduction as the criteria/objective. I can imagine these two combined in your system are quite special and involving. Congratulations.
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Bill,
The Yamamoto draws negligible power from your AC outlet. I would leave that DAC on 24 /seven. It will probably only add about $.20-$.30 cents a month to your electric bill.

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Hello Bill, congratulations on getting both the Yamamoto DAC and also acquiring the S ET amplifier. I believe once your Yamamoto settles in you are going to enjoy it very much. It is a music lovers delight, I also think you are going to be thrilled with your SET amplifier with those 845 tubes. You are in store for some very fun and enjoyable listening sessions in my opinion . That new amplifier should mate beautifully with your speakers. I really look forward to reading the listening impressions of your two new components.
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Ron,
Okay, I took a chance and bought the Venissa Santi "Bienvenida" per your strong recommendation. Found the CD on Amazon.
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Schubert,
Maybe I'm missing your point but I don't see foolishness in Jeff's comment. Both jazz and classical repertoire pay much honor and respect to the "older' music. Jazz musicians do play the 'standards" of their genre in their own interpretations. Certainly much of classical music is centuries old, yet is still performed and enjoyed. As with jazz these older compositions are subject to various interpretation by conductors and musicians.

When Ron suggests the jazz musicians play the 'same old stuff' one could say that's true of the opera and classical he enjoys live. IMO both jazz and classical have music that is truly timeless. I can tell you that Jeff is a hugh admirer of classical music Schubert. He and I have surely enjoyed both genres over the years at live concerts.
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Hi Ron,
I will look for Venissa Charles, thank you. Ron, regarding live jazz music, I guess that's where you and I differ. I attendees performances regularly probably 25 to 30 performances each year (just heard live jazz 3 days ago) and enjoy every single moment of them.I simply enjoy hearing the various musicians play in their own style with their own interpretation of both old and new music. I do enjoy listening to music at home in my system it is a wonderful way to spend time, however it does not substitute for hearing live talented musicians playing their instruments in person. The sheer beauty of these live listening experiences have been a terrific template in helping me to voice my system at home.I feel extremely fortunate to be able to enjoy both forms of musical entertainment.
Charles,

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I found the Ruby Braff live recordings "Reggattabar" both Vol 1 and 2 CDs I look forward to listening to them.on amazon for 3 dollars each. Amazon has been a very good resource for me over the years. The library continues to grow.

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Cdrc,
Thanks for the Braff live recording recommendation. I love live jazz recordings. I'd suggest to you the Duke Ellington California Dance Party series(there are about 6 or 7 volumes available). These were done in the late 1950s, they're very good. As far as tube/SET amp talk is concerned, it's welcome here at anytime. People want good components to play all the wonderful music that's available to discover and enjoy.
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Spirit,
No worries and I appreciate your insight regarding the progression of your beautiful system. I'm clearly an admirer of SET amplifiers. It has been rewarding to read about you and others here who ventured into the SET genre and found absolute musical/sonic bliss. Isn't the entire point of High End audio to get quality products that improved our home listening experience? So when you and others express their pure joy with discovering SET it makes me happy for all of you.Spirit the revealing nature you noted is the result of improved transparency of the simpler circuit SET(if build to a high standard). The beauty is that with this increased revealing nature the sound remains natural and doesn't drift into the analytical, that's special and unique.
Charles,

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Spirit,
I'm glad the SET amplifier experience turned out so satisfying for you. I know the profound improvement they made in my listening to music. It is hard to predict the outcome for another individual however. In your case it seems you have hit the musical jackpot.
Charles,

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Spirit,
I understand that kind of description. When it's that realistic you know you've made the right choices. It's obvious this latest acquisition has raised the vital emotional connection, way to go.
Charles,

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Spirit,
I honestly believe you are better off with the 211 tube than the GM70 in terms of SQ.

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Jeff,
The model Spirit has now uses the Russian GM70 in place of the 211. Jeff what speaker is A.J. driving with that exotic high powered SET?

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Spirit,
I know the very high regard Audion owners have for their amplifiers(including you). For you to find the NAT Audio to be a 'clear step' above says a lot about its excellent match with your system. I think that NAT makes their own transformers in house. They seem like components I'd really enjoy based on your description of their tonal balance and presentation. Spirit I believe what probably hurts them is that they are Eastern European (Serbia I think) that bothers some people, I wouldn't care, I'll take the full bodied natural sound every time. They apparently don't subscribe to the lean, lightweight 'low calorie' character that's has become common place these days.
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Spirit,
Congratulations ! I have a gut feeling the NAT components were something exceptional, your reaction confirms this. Full and rich like live music presents, I understand. The thing about live music that it's always stood out for me consistently is the warmth, color saturation and fullness that you hear from live instruments. Your system must sound gorgeous and emotional. You have moved in the right direction and won't look back. The current direction for sound reproduction seems to have moved to a leaner and lighter type of sound in the name of accuracy, to me this moves away from what live music sounds like in my opinion . I believe your current system will keep you very happy for many years to come.
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Miguel,
Yes, in regards to focus and imaging, they improved. I don't usually talk about those factors admittedly. They are secondary for me(but important to many people I know). Good quality components will most often do those things well. What matters more to me(and seemingly more elusive) is getting the true/natural tonality/timbre, musical dynamic ebb and flow. This is what allows or preserves the emotion and involvement IMO.

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Hello Miguel,
I have described this before some time ago. The gist of it is all of the Troy's attributes are increased by a legitimate 20%. I use percentage as I think it's an effective way to convey scale or proportions. Natural tone/timbre, harmonics,presence factor and sense of convincing realism are what the Troy added to my system. Very impressive for me. Placing it on the Apprentice improves it by that significant 20% margin. Significant because that's in addition to the high baseline performance of the TROY'S 'stock' feet. these two products combined are a wonderful match in my opinion.

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Cal,
I have heard the KR XLS in my system thanks to a generously loaned pair. It is a very nice sounding tube. Overall it is a warmer and a bit dark in comparison to the EML . The EM L tube in my system and amplifier is more open, transparent and lively sounding yet very organic. I'm sure this is most likely just system dependent as both tubes are very good just with different characters. I definitely found the EML to be the better fit sonically in my system,as always this comes down to a synergy issue.

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Bill I wish you good luck, the kit is just a bargain at that price. He offers the option of Op amps in his kit but he avoids them at all cost(due to their high use of NFB) in his fully built DAC. He does not like or use NFB but gives kit builders the choice.

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Bill,
That has been a problem since Venus Hifi closed, he was the American distributor. Yamamoto sells so few products in the U.S. He may feel it is not worth the effort anymore. He does very well in Japan. I do know that Ocellia is the Canadian distrubitor. I think you'd like this DAC if you heard it.
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Hello Alan, the Yamamoto is very organic and natural with beautiful tonality, but it is not soft and fluffy or artificially warm. In fact it is very high regarding resolution and transparency, the sound is clear and dynamic. When you hear this DAC I would be interested in you opinion . You never know until you actually hear it for yourself. You may or may not agree with me.
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Alan,
6 Moons did a comparison review of both the Yamamoto solid-state and the tube DACs, It is a very thorough and in-depth comparison between these two fine DACS, I think you'll find it worthwhile to read. It is in their archives section , the review is Yamamoto YDA-01b(tube version) but both are covered.

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Alan,
Thanks for the kind comments regarding my system. The Yamamoto is available in tube and SS, I have their SS version. I tend to prefer tubes but in digital sources(especially this brand) the distinction is tiny compared to amplifying components. Given Yamamoto's expertise and reputation for building excellent S ET amplifiers, he was able to get the same voicing in his DAC as he does in his fine power amplifiers. This is one of the most organic naturally realistic DACs I have heard, it just makes music with the emotion intact. Tone, timbre, bloom, decay, dynamics are truly reproduced well. The 6 Moons review was correct, if you are drawn to his SET amps, you'll love his DAC. It made the move from a TT an easy transition for me, I have not looked back at all. It is a natural fit with my Coincident DHT tube components. I changed the output coupling caps to Duelund CAST which only further improved the instrinsic qualities of this DAC. Alan given your system and taste I believe you would enjoy it.
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Hi Gary,
Wow the Takatsuki price has really dropped from a few years ago(that is good news for potential buyers). The USD/Yen ratio is much better now apparently. Those tubes were 2K USD for a long time. Now they are in the same range as the Elog 1100 USD. Good times for 300b users.

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Cal, I will have the opportunity to listen to the Elrog 300B in my system within the next two weeks. I have enjoyed immensely the TAK and EML and look forward to hear how the Elrog compares in my amplifier. 300b users are fortunate to have a variety of premium choices available. As a point of reference I did not like the Western Electric 300b re-issue in my amplifier. In my opinion it was clearly outclassed by the Takatsuki and the EML XLS.

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Brf.
Good points,the 300b is a simpler tube and requires only 1/3(or less) the voltage necessary for the 845, they are certainly different tube types. The Elrog 300b is probably easier to build and get right in terms of longevity and reliability. I suspect Elrog will/has gotten it right for all of their tubes now.

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Gary,
That is true regarding the Takatsuki. Those Japanese engineers got it right from the very beginning. There was likely a ton of testing prior to the initial offerings.

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Hi Gary,
You and I have touted the Takatsuki virtues for quite sometime and subsequently the EML XLS I added as well. None of these premium 300bs are cheap. However for music lovers with high quality 300b amplifiers these tubes are worth it IMO. Longevity of tube life and superb sound are what you get. If I could mimic this result with another type of amp I would grab it in a heartbeat. I can't speak for anyone else but I've not found an alternative topology that's as "completely fulfilling". For others who have I say sincerely, congratulations and enjoy what you have. These top level tubes help bring the music to life and makes their cost absolutely worth it in my experience. The enthusiastic description from Bill of his amplifier with the Elrog is not a surprise.This is very high level music reproduction he's talking about.
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Excellent points Brownsfan(Bill).
Of the current production oxide filament 300bs I can vouch for Takatsuki, EML and Sophia Royal Princess to be top tier. Elrog is a very different approach with its thorinated tungsten filament construction. I'm happy to read your positive impression Bill and I look forward to listening to this unique 300b design. My yardstick is Takatsuki and the EML XLS, they've been a pure sonic joy(and utterly reliable).

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Well that is a possibility but I would think the UK distributor is as motivated to get the newer tubes for his clients as is the American . Anyway I hope Spirit gets a good pair this time.

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When you consider the Elrogs are from the same factory, built by the same person/personel the distributor shouldn't matter. They all have the same common source so the quality should be uniform.
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Jeff,
Spirit is located in the UK so he most likely has a different vendor for his Elrogs.

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Brf,
Spirit is correct, I welcome any good information that may benefit others who may happen to come across these posts. Spirit, my buddy Jwm just got his Elrogs last week and so far so good. He was assured that the current versions are sorted out and reliable, time will tell. Spirit I hope the 3rd time is the charm for you. These are superb sounding tubes and hopefully the earlier failings have been worked out and put to rest. Dr Schaeffernitcht has been making tubes for 40 years, so I'm confident he's gotten it right with the current batch. The Shuguang B or the Pavanes are viable reliable alternatives (with lesser but still good sound quality).
Charles

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No problem, it wasn't clear which Shuguang Spirit had tried in his amplifier. Given his original message to me I naturally
assumed he was referring to the various Shuguang offerings compared to the Elrogs.

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Early,
Read Spirit's initial post. He's had the Shuguang 845 but they were far outperformed by the Elrogs in terms of the sound quality.

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Spirit,
Yes, I understand clearly your dilemma, you'd hate to give up a proven excellent amplifier due to tube problems/incompatibility. I can appreciate your attraction to the NAT Audio amplifiers. They have a reputation for exceptional music reproduction and rugged construction. I've never heard them but they seem like something I'd really enjoy.

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Spirit,
I reread your post and realize that sound quality isn't the problem but reliability of the tubes. Elrog had some early failure problems initially but my understanding is that this is rectified and the current Elrogs are trouble free. Time will tell. Sound quality hs never been a problem as you cite in your Shuguang comparison.
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Hi Sprit,
Well I'm not sure what the issue may be. The North American Elrog distributor has both Audion amps and these tubes and praises them. My friend's Absolare Passion PSET has thd Elrogs and it's the best sound his system has ever produced. I have no reasonable explanation why this isn't the case with you. Could it be faulty tubes? Synergy is very precarious sometimes. I wish I could be of more help for you. Overwhelmingly Elrog owners have raved about these German tubes.
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Jeff,
As wonderful as the Duelund CAST copper are in my speaker I don't doubt their silver foil version is better yet. Their cost was more than I wanted to spend, so the copper foil it was. Many power cord prongs are a copper and bronze alloy, Fernando selected solid silver for its sound quality and I understand that. I'll just have to try them and compare to my current cords. My Ocellia cables use solid silver non plated connectors and they're excellent. So I'm favorable to this approach.

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Hi Miguel,
You know the high regard I have for you products and that I love your Tripoint Troy. The attraction I have toward the Maestro is performance/cost ratio. I expect this cord to sound exceptionally good. Fernando voicing it with your Thor power cable as a template just inspires more confidence in it. His cords are priced in a very comfortable range for me. Miguel your products are targeted for the "ultra" 'cost no object' segment where you've enjoyed much earned success.
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Bill,
Yep, I agree there are good and bad products with either metal. I've been using the same Coincident cords I got with the CSL and Frankenstein back in 2009. These are very good and have out performed more expensive ones I've had here on loan. If comparing copper and silver with well implemented high quality products, the silver version is consistently more natural/organic with purer tone and timbre.It isn't a 'night and day' difference, but there is a subtle change that I notice. Well anyway that has been my experience. It's as if silver reveals more of the innate character of a component. That's definitely a plus for a good SET amplifier. I sometimes wonder how a silver wired Frankenstein would sound compared with our copper wired amps. It's fun to speculate. With the Maestro power cord, the conductor is silver plated copper but the connectors are pure silver. The connector metal does plays a significant role in terms of the final sound character. Fernando is definitely a 'natural' sound type of guy, so his Maestro has me interested.
Charles,

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Somewhere down the line I'm going to try the Cruze First Audio Maestro power cords. I like Fernando and trust his ear. He sold me my Coincident speakers and the Tripoint Troy.Both are purchases I'll never regret. He uses pure solid silver(unplated) for his connectors at both ends. I'm just sold on the use of silver. Each time its added to my system the sound improves and becomes more natural. No doubt Israel's new cords are a serious contender. Israel doesn't care for silver but I certainly do. I realize there's more to it then that, but silver justs seems to be right for my taste.

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Hi Bill,
Well I read your email and I'm not surprised by your initial listening results. It seems the Elrog 300b is as good as their 845. Very good sounding right out of the box and already surpasses the Pavane at this early stage. That's why I felt comfortable posting what I thought earlier. I was confident you'd be very impressed with the Elrog-Frankenstein pairing. The good news it will only get better as the tubes accumulate hours of use. You made a wise purchase Bill. Just curious, what power cords are using for the Frankenstein?
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I 'm glad you're doing well despite the on going long distance commuting. Bill I've just spent the past 2 hours listening to Jwm's system. He installed his new Elrog 845s in his Absolare Passion PSET amplifier. we're good friends x 23 years and live only 10 minutes apart. I listen to his system often and know it very well. He's been using the Pavane W.E. Replica for a long while and it's a very good sounding tube.

The Elrog 845 is superior in any and all facets, no room for debate in my mind. The Elrog is splendid! Improved resolution, detail and clarity from top to bottom. Does this bring along the baggage of analytical edge or clinical character? Nope, the presentation is rich, full bodied and vibrant, beautifully organic. Tonality is just natural and on the mark. This is a superb tube and it brings the music alive.

If the Elrog 300b is cut from the same cloth(I'm sure it is) you are in store for a thrilling upgrade based on my experience with its 845 sibling today. We're talking a different tube and amplifier I realize but I'm very optimistic for your outcome. I have heard 10 different 300b tubes in the Frankenstein. The transparency of this amplifier easily reveals each tube's character and individual sound quality.
Charles,

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Cal,
I am bias in favor of good quality active preamps. The high level of your system would exploit what the active has to offer. Something to consider.

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Meant Elrog and I tried to provide the video link, really good sound even via You tube.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qrMGOorjaM

Bill,

These elrods playing my kind of music.

Charles

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Bill,
It's been very interesting and fun to follow how your system has changed over the past couple of years(given the high quality of your previous system). To think that it all seemingly began with the purchase of the Coincident line stage. I totally understand the evolution.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
So good to hear from you, I hope you're all settled down in your new home. Bill, a good friend of mine Jwm is scheduled to get his Elrog 845 tubes today for his Absolare amplifier. I'm curious to hear them, he is currently using Pavane W.E.845 with excellent results. I suspect the Elrog 300b is a superb tube and can understand why you went that route. Bill if you don't mine would you post your initial impressions? Between the Takatsuki, EML XLS and AVVT SL32 I've spent enough money on premium level tubes. For certain the new Elrog is in that class as well. I know that Thomas Mayer thinks very highly of this tube. Elrogs and the Frankenstein, oh boy!
Charles,

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Cal,
Regarding the EML XLS I understand, you can't do everything at once and some things have to wait. 500.00 for a pair is money well spent when the time is right for you. It sounds wonderful and is built to last for many years as well. Israel Blume designed the Frankenstein to be very easy on the output tubes. Heat dissipation is a conservative 25 watts, this amp won't eat up the 300b tubes prematurely. So that 500,00 will go very far in terms of performance longevity.
Charles,

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Cal,
Your went from a very admired SS amp(a class A Pass Labs) to an 8 watt 300b SET. Was there a period of aural adjustment required for you or did you immediately like the different sound? Was that the bigger change or was it the Thiel to Coincident speaker? I believe most people who move to a good SET amplifier are pleasantly surprised by the level of transparency and resolution. The stereotype expectation is warm cuddly midrange and rolled off everything else. In my case the degree of improved inner detail and nuance retrival exceeded expectation. It's these little but important factors that increased the sense of realism.
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Hi Mapman,
My exposure to hearing class D amplifiers has been mainly at shows, dealer demos and occasionally someone's system. I don't keep up with them more than that. It's impossible to hear everything that's available not to memtion in one's own system. The class D amps I did hear weren't bad at all. None of them had the naturalness and tactile presence I desire. It was very obvious I'm listening to electronic reproduced sound. With really good tubes and especially SET the 'human' realism is an entirely more convincing organic experience. that's just me, you could feel just as strongly that class D provides that organic realism for you. That's why I don't argue and debate this aspect of audio. People just like what they like. Islandmandan has a class D amp now that he loves as much as his SET 300b, so there you go.
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Hi Cal,
It goes against common wisdom(stereotype) but I get more information/resolution from this SET than any other amplifier I've had in my system. If you ever come across a used pair of EML XLS tubes I'd suggest you take a chance on them. It's a superb match with the Frankenstein. To say the Super Eclipse images better than your former Thiels is quite a compliment.
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Two more CDs that I may have mentioned before that I listen to often.
1)" Look Stop And Listen" Pianist Tardo Hammer playing the music composed by Tadd Dameron. Beautiful!
2)"The Great American Song Book" Carmen McRae. Live jazz club 1971 in LA. Joe Pass on guitar. Beautiful!

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Fellow jazz lovers, here are a few CDs you may enjoy as much as I do.

1)"Very Tall" Oscar Peterson trio with Milt Jackson. No description necessary.
2)"Bean Bags" Coleman Hawkins and Milt Jackson. Ditto!
3)"Live At The Jazz Standard" Russell Malone. Beautiful.
4)"Tribute To Paul Desmond" Bruce Babad. Babad can play!
5)"Takin' It There" Graham Decker. Young guitarist with mature chops.
6)"But Beautiful" Kenny Barron and Joe Locke. Piano and vibraphone duet by two masters of their instruments. The title is self explanatory.
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Hi Thalusa,
Just as I thought, both are excellent in their own beautiful way. No amplifier will be perfect but either of these two will bring joy into your audio system with the right matching speaker. You have the right speakers for both of these amplifiers.
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Bill,
If you read Rebbi's blog notes the good far outweigh the bad in an overall sense. He's getting the best sound he's ever had at home with this amplifier. I'd keep the amp and replace the speakers at some point.
The amp has made the bigger difference in his system rather than the De Capos.
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Rebbi,
Nice listening notes, you nailed the essence of what makes good SET amplifiers so musically honest and emotionally involving. +1 for your descriptive comments. Your Manley was no slouch but you've moved beyond that level with your new amplifier.

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Hi Brf,
I'm glad the Duelund CAST capacitors worked out so well for you as they did for me. Brf I wonder if the larger Total Eclispe is an easier speaker load than the Triumph MK I? My 8 watt amp drives them with a sense of ease and flow.

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Hi Thaluza,
I find your joy with the Frankenstein very intersting for the following reasons. You already owned two "fine" power amplifiers, the Canary 300b push pull and the Joule VZN 80 MK V OTL. I thought there might be an adjustment period to a different topology. Do you plan to keep the Joule to use as an alternative flavor from time to time? It seems the Joule and Frankenstein would both provide much fun with their different presentations. You have certainly owned some excellent power amplifiers.
Charles,

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Mapman,
I've developed respect for the input and impressions provided by Brownsfan and Brf over the years. For certain there will always be contrary opinions in this field of High End audio. When two credible perspectives are so polar it makes me wonder what accounts for the wide gap. It's as if Brf saw yellow and Brownnsfan said no the color was dark purple when describing the same object.

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There must be significant changes between the Triumph MK I and the MK II, Brf's finding is the opposite of Brownsfan who currently has both the DeCapo and Triumph MK II. There always seem to be differences when it comes to comparing audio components.

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I'm open to any interesting discussion concerning music and good sound.Mapman I know you're a strong advocate for class D amplifiers and reall y enjoy them. I say what ever gets you the sonic result you seek, go for it. For my self I've never heard a Class D amp that comes close to what a good quality SET offers. I fully understand this is purely personal and simply preference. If a class D amplifier comes along that truly equals a SET in the areas that are so important to me I'll be among the first to acknowledge this achievement and buy it proudly.Both types bring joy to their respective owners but they are very different sounding approaches.
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Mapman,
If Rebbi wants to keep his speakers a sub is a viable solution. I know many listeners use them quite sucessfully. I've used them in past systems but I prefer SETs with a load friendly speaker without question. As always there's more than one path to reach a goal.

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Rebbi,
Given the fact that your speaker is realistically an 86 db speaker, it's a tribute to your AN Kit to get the wonderful sound you're hearing. That suggests the amplifier's power supply and output transformers are very good quality. With a more suitable speaker match, look out! It has to be a good amp to out perform your former Manley in the way you describe.You obviously made a wise choice in choosing to build this 300b SET. The list of very happy SET converts seems to be expanding on this site.
Charles,

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Jet,
You're right, there is a wide variety of of SET friendly speakers to choose from.I just mentioned Tekton and Coincident as proven examples. The SET amps will "sing" if given a benign speaker load designed to mate with them.

Dazzlingmd,
The EML XLS is a drop in 300b replacement. You are absolutely right, this is a superb tube, I love it in my Frankenstein.

Hi, Thaluza I'm very happy for you!It's good to know the Frankenstein has worked out so well in your system. You'll enjoy and appreciate it for many happy years.
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Rebbi,
your description of live music via the 300 B amplifier mimics my experience upon first exposure. It was simply more realistic and natural I could not return to my former amplifier. As you discovered, SET is more clear, transparent and resolved. Wait until you try the Higher quality 300b tubes that are available, you'll be thrilled.

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Rebbi
As often pointed out, the chosen speaker is critical to getting the most from a SET. The el34 amp might be the match for your speaker but won't sound like your 300b as you enthusiastically describe. I would personally get a more Compatible speaker, Tekton or Coincident and truly exploit your amplifier's complete attributes and virtues . You have heard the special purity and beauty of SET. You won't be happy with less anymore for now on IMO. Build your system around this special 300b amp. That's what I did.
Charles

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Hello,
My experience for about a 15-20 year period had been extensively push pull tube amplifiers after migration from solid state. My most recent PP amp purchase was Bill Baker's Response Audio Bella Extreme. This was a class AB 6550/KT 88 100 watt(60 watt in triode mode). This was one of the very best PP amps I'd ever heard(and I've heard quite a few). Curiosity led me to explore SET amplifiers and it was all over after that introduction.

I was instantly captured by what a 8 watt 300b SET added to my system, this exceeded my expectations which were high. It's been well over 5 years since the switch and if anything I'm more impressed as time marches on. 300b SET just pushes all the right musical/emotional buttons for me and I'm totally content.

The Lamm PP amplifier pictured above was a generous loan from a friend who was curious about my impression of it. Honestly, the Bella Extreme is better sounding to me. The 300b SET beats both in terms of naturalness, emotional conection and is just more realistic and captivating. Zeyphr there are many very good tube amplifiers available and with some patience I'm certain you'll get just what you want.
Good Luck,
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Hi Rebbi,
Congratulations on successful completion of your kit building project,you must feel very gratified. I am eager to read your impressions of this 300b SET with your speakers. Curious to know how it differs from your former Manley amplifier.

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Hi,
Crubio I have only heard the XLS and the mesh versions. Both of these are excellent IMO, but I would suspect the standard 300b is very fine as well. EML is top quality based on my experience.

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Hello Chuckie,
I sincerely appreciate your very kind comments. I'm just genuinely satisfied with music reproduction in my home. Once I got the SET amplifier everything took off and subsequent additions revolved around that foundation. The focus is to obtain a natural sound and all choices made were based on that objective. Given your system I know you can understand that direction.
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Hi Jeff,
I lost my phone last week and I'm currently out of town. I'll call you tonight.

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Hello Cal,
I believe you'll be very happy with this amplifier driving your Coincident SE III speakers. Please feel free to post your impressions here if you'd like to. Thanks for the Kenny Burrell tip, I'll find a copy of it. I don't know the effect of the bypass capacitor for the power supply caps.The other modest changes the previous owner made shouldn't hurt the sound at all.
Congratulations on finding the Frankenstein "used", they're relatively rare.
Charles,

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Hi Rebbi,
Thanks, by the way I have enjoyed reading your well done AN kit building blog. Very interested what you hear compared to your former Manley push pull amplifier.
Charles

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Scott,
It occurred to me you're probably referring to the Spatial OB speaker pictures, oops, sorry.

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Hi Scott,
Are you referring to the pictures of musicians on the walls of my room or the system pictures? Either way, thanks.
Charles,

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Chris,
Srajan Ebaen (6 Moons) uses the SIT amps(10 watts) as one of his reference amplifiers. He certainly has used them with speakers of similar sensitivity (or even a bit less) as the Super Eclipse. In addition these speakers are a "very easy" 14 ohm load impedance. So Reno's reluctance is somewhat surprising. The Frankenstein(8 watts) drives this speaker load as though it's coasting along.Of course no amplifier is perfect for every circumstance. If you listen to a heavy dose of electronia/synthesized music at high volumes maybe you'd want a different amp. Otherwise it reproduces music beautifully realistic and organic.

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Chris,
If your look at my system pictures posted above you'll see the Lamm push pull and the Bella Extreme amplifiers. Both have much higher power than the 8 watt Frankenstein. They are very highly regarded. In direct comparison, the Franks are more natural, resolved and simply more engaging and better sounding. That's my honest impression, others would disagree hearing the same comparison but that's how it goes with audio.

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Hello Chris,
Thanks for your kind comments. Chris when it comes to speaker and amplifier combinations it's really hard to predict what one person would like even though another may find it fantastic. I can't imagine why the SIT amplifiers wouldn't be enough power to drive your speaker as they are made to mate with low power amplifiers. The Frankenstein should be a very good choice and provide you exceptional sound quality. No doubt it will be different from your Pass amplifier. It becomes a question of which presentation moves you more emotionally and pulls you deeper into the music you enjoy. The Franks have done this for me to an extraordinary level. Will they do the same for you? It all depends on what sonic/musical factors matter the most to you. Keep me posted, I'd like to read your impressions comparing these two fine but very different amplifiers.
Charles,

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Rebbi,
That kind of detailed order and shipping consideration does inspire confidence in a product. They have earned their good reputation and long term track record for a reason. To achieve this stature is no accident.

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Rebbi, you're going to be thrilled with this new direction you've chosen. I will follow your blog with much interest.
Charles,

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Guys.
My gut feeling is that the Lamm SET would has less of this sonic characteristic relative to its siblings. I base this on the inherent openness and purity of SET circuits implemented to a high standard.
Charles,

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Andrew,
that's the thing, Jeff identified the same dark, slower and mechanical character with both of our speakers. When we removed the Lamm in my system this sonic character vanished. Another friend of Jeff's heard the same sound with his Vivid speakers driven by the big Lamm SS amplifier. I find that interesting as Coincident,Rockport and Vivid are all different yet that character is persistent. Synergy is everything it seems.

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Andrew,
Are you suggesting that the Lamm SET would sound no better than The push pull version I just had in my system? I'd be quite surprised if their SET isn't an improvement given all the raves its received. If it's the same sonically as the Lamm ML1.1 I'd be disappointed.
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Jeff,
I understand your point regarding that Lamm may have a "house sound", it's a possibility. I just suspect that the Lamm SET could be better sounding due to the different(better?) topology/circuit. Granted it's pure speculation but given the Lamm ML2.2 SET stellar reputation I give it the benefit of doubt until I actually hear it . Your VAC Phi 300.1 amps do sound quite a bit better than the Lamm we both heard in our systems. I would expect their SET to be less mechalnical and flat sounding.
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Hi Thaluza,
This was an unexpected opportunity to hear this amplifier in my system and compare two different topologies with different power outputs. As I stated above the ML2.2 SET is likely the more desirable Lamm for me. Your Joule OTL is very highly regarded, so comparison to the Frankenstein boils down to preference of presentation. The speaker in use has significant impact on the outcome. The Joule will allow a wider range of speaker selection. I'm interested to read your impression of these two fine amplifiers.
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Interesting Jwm used the Lamm ML1.1 in his system in place of his Absolare Passion amplifier driving his Rockports (4 ohm load). He had similar findings despite our systems being of very different make up.Audio is fun.

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Jeff (Jwm) has a friend's Lamm ML1.1 mono blocks to listen to with his Rockport Altairs this week. He was curious to hear them with my Coincident speakers and I said sure, why not? They are in very good condition and very quiet as well. We listened to the Frankensteins, Lamms and Franks again. My speakers are an easy load to drive and the Lamm's 8 ohm tap was used (speaker is a 14 ohm load). The ML1.1 is a 90 watt class AB 6c33c twin tubes in push pull configuration(PP). The sound presentation has power and authority and the music reproduction was good.

Returning to the Frankenstein we both noted a more open sound that was also clearer and transparent. Relatively speaking the Lamm is darker and has more of a mechanical character.The most apparent difference is the Franks are more organic,emotionally involving and reveal more nuance and harmonic color tone. The Lamm has good bass heft, the Franks bass more articulate and agile(seperation of notes are cleaner yet with full tone/timbre intact), The overall presentation is more lively,palpable and engaging. On an easy to drive speaker the Lamm's obvious power advantage wasn't a factor. with more difficult loads it would of course matter significantly. The Lamm will allow flexibility with speaker choice as well.The music's flow and pace seemed a bit slower with the Lamm. The smaller SET was more fluid and just seems to get out of the way.

This listening session tonight drove home the point that efficient easy load speakers permit low power SET amps to sing and reproduce a beautiful natural sound.It just pulls you right into the music. There's much to be said for these pure and very simple circuits. I'd like to hear the Lamm SET version. I'm curious as to how different it'd be compared to it's sibling (my guess is it'd be superior).
I posted a picture above of the Lamm,Frankenstein and my retired Bella Extreme 6550 PP amp(this is a very fine amplifier in the PP niche). Horses for courses.
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Bill,
Here are some impressions from one Coincident owner to another. Three additions that have yielded terrific sonic results (they're all well burned in by now).
1) Pavane W.E. Replica 101d tubes in the CSL.
2) Mullard 378 NOS rectifier in the Frankensteins.
3) Jupiter copper foil capacitors (input coupling caps) in the Frankensteins.

The combined effect of these modest changes (and very reasonable cost) is very impactful. It really advances what was excellent in stock configuration and moves up a definite step. I consider these 3 parts essential to get the absolute best from these components. No question in my opinion, this is money very well spent. Bill the particular qualities you and I value highly, tone,timbre,harmonics,musical flow, visceral presence and "naturalness" are all improved.

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Hi Bill,
Good to know you're settling into your new home so well. Given the combination of a good room and excellent audio system your result is no surprise, I agree with you regarding the importance of good quality AC power. You've established a rock solid foundation by addressing the fundamentals. You'll enjoy superb sound for many years.
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Hello Mike,
A friend installed the tweeter capacitors(1 per speaker) it was a fairly simple job. Be aware that the Coincident speaker vary in their crossovers among the different models. Some are easier toaccess and modify than others, mine are one of the simpler models. The Duelund CAST caps were worth their cost without question.

I would strongly recommend placing your speakers on the Star Sound Apprentice stand/plateform. These provide a significant improvement and are very reasonably priced.

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Hi Roxy54,
It's gratifying to know that you have no regrets with your move to a SET amplifier. As optimistic as I was for you, you just never know what another's experience/outcome will be. It helped your odds of sucess in that you chose a high quality 300b SET from the start.
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Rebbi ,
You are welcome. I think you're going to love this SET amp.

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Hi Andrew,
I glad you found "Night Lights" very enjoyable. Gerry assembled a first rate band for this recording date. one of his best IMO.

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Hi Bill,
Wow! What you wrote is exactly how I view the benefits of this site. I absolutely accept and embrace the idea of reasoned debate and varying perspectives. I've learn that there are many approaches to achieving good music reproduction at home. I'm very "happy" with my results but know it isn't the path for everyone. Bill, I have enjoyed and appreciated your comments on this site over the years. They consistently demonstrate insight and wisdom. By the way, you have a wonderful system.
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Such hostility merely due to happiness with my audio system, why is this? It seems someone needs to meditate and reflect. The snowcaps are really beautiful up here.
Charles,

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Bill,
Friendly folks,lots of space and beautiful music.

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Jet,
Climb on up, the view is terrific and the air is clear and clean. Don't forget to bring your amp!

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Andrew,
Don't confuse smug with contentment and happiness. Although I'll admit the mountain air is refreshing and invigorating.

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Hi Brett,
You and fellow music lovers will always have an open invitation to express your thoughts here.I'm just distancing myself from the repetitive and pointless audiophile /hifi battles. I realize that I'm in the natural/organic niche and not the accuracy/detail at all cost niche. These are very different pathways.
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Hi Spirit,
Honestly (and bluntly) I don't care what others opinions are. I just listen and decide, its become that simple for me. Electrical grounding, mechanical grounding(vibration management)quality fuses,better capacitors, tubes and on and on. These have all led to improved music reproduction and further enjoyment in my home. I don't feel any urge to convince anyone else. I hear what these additions have provided and that's enough for me. The Tripoint Troy will never leave my system. Anything that increases natural or holistic sound stays. Anything that adds a mechanical,analytical or hifi sound goes. This is why I'll always have a SET amplifier based system.
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With the recent posts about the Marsalis family I'd like to make a recommendation. Jazz fans are very familiar with Wynton and Bradford and this is understood. Delfeayo Marsalis is a first rate trombonist and composer. "Minions Dominions" is a very enjoyable CD recorded in 2002. It also features the late (legendary) drummer Elvin Jones and the late (superb) pianist Mulgrew Miller. It's a nice mixture of hard driving jazz and slower beautiful ballads.

Jason Marsalis, "The 21st Century Trad Band" Jason has a modern approach to playing the vibraphone and he plays with mastery of this instrument. Having heard him live just 3 days ago, this recording captures his sound quite closely. Good stuff.
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Gary (Gsm18439)
Wish I could have experienced that evening, it must have been terrific fun.

Rebbi,
I played trumpet up until my mid teens, I wish I had kept with it. It did contribute heavily to a life long love for music.
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Brett,
I got wind of the underwear allegations but I didn't want to believe. Glad to know they were just mean spirited rumors.
Charles,

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Last night Jwm and I saw Jason Marsalis and his group(quartet) in Ann Arbor, MI.. He played the vibraphone and this band was just beautiful to hear in this intimate non microphone venue. What a bloodline the Marsalis family has. I've also hear his brothers Wynton and Delfeayo live with their respective groups. They all can flat out play! Top tier musicians for sure. They are on tour promoting their latest CD. I bought it and it's "very" good.
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Brett,
What can I say? Domestic tranquility is important. Pink isn't so bad, right???

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DHT=directly heated triode such as 45,2A3,300b,845,211 tubes etc. Pentode and tetrodes are indirectly heated tubes, el34,KT 88,KT 77, 6550 and so forth. There's a lot of educational articles to explain this if you google.

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Rebbi,
Thanks for your kind words but I'm by no means any type of guru. SET was a major discovery for me 5 years ago and simply improved music listening in my home and increased my enjoyment significantly. Similar to Dan's experience I've heard many types of amplifiers over the years. Just as he wrote SET has been superior to the other topologies for its musical realism and naturalness.

I know nothing about the Wright Lolita amplifiers. Their 24 pound weight(suggesting hefty transformers) and hard wired design is encouraging. In comparison the Coincident is a proven product by a very talented builder. Rebbi you're aware of the very positive professional reviews and user comments on this site in another thread. Both of these designs are actually SE(P) pemtodes strapped in triode operation. Their price is certainly reasonable.

SET using DHT tubes is going to cost more to get good quality built and parts. Just depends which direction you want. I admit to a bias in favor of DHT tubed SET. If you decide to go SEP the Coincident Dynamo seems to be an excellent value and choice.
Charles,

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Brett,
Thankfully ("thank god almighty") very soon you'll be "free at last". Wavelength SET and JBL speakers will surely keep you deeply entrenched in organic musical bliss. When it all comes together I hope you give serious consideration to posting this exceptional system on this site.
Charles,

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Brett,
I agree with Dan, your system is too good to be sitting in mothballs and collecting dust. Get those wonderful amplifiers up and running and return to listening to the music you love.
Charles,

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Hi Brett,
"Autumn in Ney York" I've yet to hear a bad version of this beautiful standard. It's probably near impossible to screw up this song. Brett, any progress with your Wavelength amplifiers?
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Schubert,
Thanks for your input, the Berg/Schiff was compared to the Melos/Rostropovich version in the review I read. I'll get the Berg recording also. I'm very curious to hear the different cello styles of Maisky,Rostropovich and Schiff. I do this all the time with jazz musicians who play the same instrument. Barry Harris and Gene Harris are both jazz pianists, they play and sound nothing alike.I love that.
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Bill,
Thanks for your recommendations of Micsha Maisky and Schubert recordings. I'll get the Artemis quartet and see how they vary from the Melos quartet interpretation.
Charles,

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I read a long review on amazon that compared several versions of Schubert's string quintet D.956. Emerson, Berg and the Melos string quartets(with the added 2nd cello) were contrasted. Obviously one man's opinion (but compelling) I chose to first try Melos with Rostorpovich recorded in 1977. It was described as the more lyrical and soulful of the three(he felt all 3 were excellent, just different). 6.00 dollars on amazon, I love the low price of many CDs. The library grows.
Charles,

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Al,
How bad can these be if they feature Rostropovich? Is the recording quality so bad that his musicianship doesn't compensate? I want good music and good sound. I'd prefer good music /average sound rather than good sound/average music if forced to compromise.
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Thanks Al,
I will seek out this recording and listen.Maybe I can find Russian musicians performing it (LOL).
Charles,

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Bill,
Based on your grouping of "left" vs "right" brain composers and musician interpretation, I know I'll favor right brain perspective. Probably why I love jazz to the degree that I do. The freedom to improvise and play what you feel and to explore/expand the basic melody.

Take a standard like "My foolish Heart" listen to Ella Fitzgerald sing it then listen to Carmen McRae. The effect and delivery is so different, so stamped with their personal approach.The beauty is you can enjoy both even as you recognize the contrasting presentation. Listen to Miles, Clifford Brown or Thad Jones play "I'll Remember April". Three different sounds yet each is an individual expression on how they interpret the song. I love it.
Charles,

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Hi Bill.
Putting up with that broker and seller is thankfully a transient event and minor aggravation. In the big picture you and your wife have obttained the environment and home you've always desired, you win "big time". Good to know you have found friendly and helpful people so soon, that's a very good start.

It is understandable our reactions to Tatiana differ, you have a vastly broader reference base for comparison and I have virtually none. What struck me immediately though is her ability to make music communicative
and bring it to life. Some musicians can have impeccable technical
mastery and yet sound as Jwm described, mechanical. You can admire
the obvious talent but not really want to listen to them much.

Tatiana and Rostropovich have this technical expertise but also possess the crucial ability to convey passion and emotions. This compels me to want to listen and most importantly, "enjoy" what they're playing. I realize that I judge performers in the same manner as I do components. They have to pull me in and allow the music to be expressed with heart and soul. If that's absent then so is my interest. This for example is why I can listen to Miles Davis "Sketches Of Spain" repeatedly. His trumpet playing and interactions with the orchestra just keep me engaged and interested. I could cite so many more examples.
Charles,

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I wonder how Tatiana and Thelonious Monk would have sound together as a duet?

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Hi Dan,
I have that Monk recording and agree with your impression of it. Monk is my guy.

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the Tatiana recommendation, I want more of her music in my home.
Charles,

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Jeff,
Relating the musicians to amplifiers to try and illustrate the effect I felt.
Schiff and MA are analogous to very competent transistor amps, get the job done as designed but somewhat dry, mechanical and flat, tends to lack soul. Rostropovich and Tatiana remind me of SET amps, alive, humanistic, colorful with richness and better realism. In a nutshell, more emotion in the music.
Charles,

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Hi Jeff,
That's an interesting observation regarding Russian musicians, here's another experience I've had. I became interested in classical cello and wanted to get more exposure. Suggestions were YO YO MA and Janos Starker, so I bought some of their CDs. Between these two I was drawn more towards Starker's playing. Here the funny thing (relating to the Russian factor) I bought a CD of Mstislav Rostropovich playing Bach music. I couldn't stop listening to it! I know nothing about classical music but Rostropovich just pulled me in, it was as if I could actually feel and relate to what he played, there was a emotional connection. Same effect as listening to Tatiana last night. Are the Russians truly different or is this simply a coincidence?

I connected with these two similarly to how I respond to my jazz music, full engagement.
Charles,

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Bill,
Jazz I know pretty well, classical, not much. So I just listen and react, I'm moved or I'm not, simple but effective for me. The Andras Schiff Beethoven Piano Sonatas are good. After listening to it I then listened to Tatiana Nickolayeva play these Sonatas.I enjoyed her CD noticeably more, just deeper involvement, emotion and interest. She IMO extracts more vibrant energy and musical soul, there's beautiful color and drama/life with her interpretations. Bill, have I lost all credibility? would you and the classical purists agree or ban me from further comment? I am judging strictly by my spontaneous reactions while listening to both tonight. Is it my heavy jazz
background? I love the way this woman plays the piano. Andras sounds technical and clinical relatively speaking, is this blasphemy?
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Hi Jim,
Thanks for those suggestions and I'll look them up. I do have a Mulligan and Ben Webster collaboration that's very good. No problem concerning Monk, the gift of music dictates we like what we like. Thelonious Monk is one of my very favorite and admired musicians and composers. He's listened to frequently and intently in my system.
Charles,

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Bill,
I forgot to mention that the Montreal Winds CD also includes them performing Beethoven's Sympony number 7 OP. 92, It's beautiful.

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Bill (Brownsfan),
I purchased three versions of Beethoven's Septet OP 20.
1 Scharoun Ensemble Berlin.
2 The Gaudier Ensemble.
3 Les Vents De Montreal Winds.
The first two are violin, viola, Cello, double bass, bassoon, clarinet and french horn.
The third recording is all wind instruments including two french horns.

All three are very good and enjoyable. I'm not familiar with classical music but I realize that these will get repeated use. Just very nice music to listen to. All three are recorded well. The all wind ensemble CD is quite beautiful and this one in particular convincingly put me in the venue. I believe that you'd love the rich tone and natural liquidity of this ensemble. The blending of the multiple musicians is just pulling me in (a classical music novice).

Between the two string/horn ensembles I slightly prefer the Scharoun Ensemble, there's a bit more emotional involvement and sense of presence.
All three are very good.

Next CD I'll listen to is Andras Schiff, "Ludwig van Beethoven Piano Sonatas" VOL 7.
Bill thanks for your suggestions.
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Hi Jim,
I'm listening this evening and thought that you may like these recordings.
1) Dexter Gordon, "Doin' Allright" I have the XRCD version. Dexter and Freddie Hubbard are just flowing along and communicating oh so nicely! Horace Parlan's piano is providing lovely support.

2) Sarah Vaughan, "After Hours" her voice, with guitar and acoustic bass, what more is needed?
3) Thelonious Monk, "Monk's Dream" his great quartet in top form, special treat, Frank Dunlap on drums and of course, Charlie Rouse's tenor saxophone.
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Jim,
I'd believe that you're getting some pure and natural sound judging by your system, that amplifier of yours must be something special.
Charles,

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Hi Jim,
You're welcome! Fortunately for us most jazz is often well recorded. These musicians are so talented it would be a shame not to capture their beautiful work with good sound quality.
Charles,

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Gary,
I'd agree there aren't many that do both well, there are a few who do it successfully.
Coincident.
Ocellia.
Horning.
Audio Note.
Based on word of mouth you could add Line Magnetic.
Charles,

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Hi Gary,
It is gratifying to read on this site the number of people who've discovered the terrific music reproduction of SET amplifiers after many years of other topologies. Most often these happy converts find themselves listening to music more frequently and for longer periods of time. I think that once people hear the natural sound presentation it becomes difficult to live without it, you become hooked to the organic sound and realism. Speaker selection first is the common advice given but isn't the only way to go. As you note, you could begin with a SET amplifier and then find a compatible load friendly speaker. Gary I always appreciate your comments.
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Bill (Grannyring),
Although the crossover of my Coincident Total Eclipse is simpler than your former Coincident Victory II, it does have a zobel network. I'll look into the resistor upgrade that you recommend. It sure seems based on my experiences so far that "every" part matters to some degree in its effect on sound quality. Is this a simple switch and what typically re the values of the sand resistors? Thanks as always for your input.
Charles,

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Bill (Brownfan),
I'm really happy for you and your wife with this big move. I know you both will be very happy and fulfilled living in the beautiful mountain setting of Tennessee. With all the hiking you have in store you'll be in perhaps the best shape of your life (or close to it). This great natural environment and superb music, what more could you ask for.
Charles,

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I have a few jazz guitarists I'd like to share with those of you who may be interested in some beautiful music.

Bobby Broom, "Bobby Broom Plays Monk".
Bobby Broom, "My Shining Hour".
Chuck Loeb, "Plain and Simple" has some fine organ also.
Mark Whitfield, "True Blue".
Mark Whitfield, "Finger painting".
Doug Raney, "You Go To My Head".
Jimmy Ponder,"Live At The Other End"
Jimmy Ponder, "Alone".

Different sounds and flavors, but they can all play!
Charles,

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At this point I believe that the Jupiter copper foil capacitors and the Mullard CV 378 rectifier tube are sufficiently burned end. These two upgrades are undoubtedly significant and represent a very high value acquisition. The one pair of Jupiter caps cost 170.00 and the Mullard NOS pair were 270.00, total cost =440.00 USD. For well under 500 USD this combination improved the already present high standard of sound from the Frankenstein. The established strengths of tone, timbre textures, harmonic preservation, musical flow/pace and dynamics/authority all took a step upward. Resolution, subtle details and nuances came along for the ride. I can with much enthusiasm recommend these two upgrades. I can't really imagine they wouldn't improve any component that can utilizes these parts.
They are an absolute must have for Frankenstein owners, you'll go from "very" high satisfaction to an even higher level based on my listening.
Charles,

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Hi Spirit,
You're definitely preaching to the choir, I thoroughly understand. There are certain roads that won't be traveled again.
Charles,

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Andrew,
When ever I discuss the splendor of good SET amplifiers I try to make it clear the importance of the right speaker match. A superb SET amp can sound terrible with an improper speaker pairing. This same speaker could sound superb with a different amplifier.
Charles,

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John,
you did right by getting a high quality amplifier, this is the foundation. Tubes can always be rolled when the time is right, there's no hurry. You're obviously enjoying music with what ever the current tubes are.

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John,
One of the byproducts in an odd sort of way of having a SET based system is less interest in attending CES. It's a fine event and has always historically been fun. However the last 2 shows and particularly this year I longed to get back home To hear music in my system. Despite having the privilege to listen to the most regarded and expensive/powerful (massive transistor amps with matching imposing speakers) It was generally underwhelming.

Playing my familiar music on most of these systems (to be fair "some" are engaging)the general presentation tends to be dry, flatten and two dimensional (as John mentioned above). They just lacked the breathing, living soul/flesh and blood I get regularly at home. I was very much aware that the music is recorded and reproduced (canned). What I'm able to hear at home is more live like, color saturated, and has more presence and ambiance. Does my system mimic the jazz clubs I attend completely? no it doesn't, but it's close enough to be very involving and emotionally pull me in pretty deep. I'll gratefully live with that. I still like the shows but they aren't the thrill they once were for me. Live acoustic jazz is a terrific reference point for me.
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Hi John,
Wow! You summed up the essential attributes and powerful attraction of a SET amplifier very well. I shared some of the same reservations (based on stereotype hearsay) as you and was taken aback with my first listen in my system. The reality was more resolution,articulation and clarity. No mud or syrup. A new level of realism and emotion retained in the music reproduction. I understand your new found joy John and congratulations, you chose an excellent SET amplifier.
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Hi Thaluza,
I think you'd like the Atmasphere amplifiers but they are likely leaner sounding than your Joule.Frankenstiens have a full body/ tone sound but can be altered depending on the choice of tubes (particularly the 300b). I'd put in the "meat on the bone" camp. It definitely preserves true tone,timbre and saturated harmonics but still wonderfully transparent and clear. It's certainly possible your Joule could have more "meat". Multiple 6C33Cs vs a single 300b for output. The point is do they both make music? Based on the replies here I'd say absolutely yes!Maybe one day we'll both get our chance to listen to these two amplifiers.
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Sorry, meant to type Needfreestuff.

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Hi Needlefreestuff,
I don't believe in a single best amplifier or any component for that matter. I do feel that there are numerous components that can provide superb sound when used properly with complimentary equipment. With these two amplifiers as well as others you can have an excellent foundation to build upon. In my case it just happens to be the Frankenstein. I believe what you wrote about the Joule OTL.
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Luan,
You raise a key attribute for me, the ability to "dig into music" and convincingly preserve the inherent color saturation, full body and emotion. At least in my experiences thus far high quality SETs have done this better than other amplifier alternatives . The Joule based on your description sure appears to achieve this mandatory need I have. So many components strip or dilute this quality in an attempt to sound so called "accurate" and this direction is a failure in my opinion. It seems Jud Barber wisely avoided this path and instead took what I refer to as the "natural" path. Thaluza probably hears in the same fashion given the evolution of his system and component selection.
Charles,

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Luan,
I believe you and that's why I wrote I of roads leading to Rome. I thoroughly enjoy my Frankenstein but obviously I recognize that there are other amplifiers that are supremely satisfying and would be a joy to own. I suspect the Joule amplifier is one I'd love to have. None of these choices are flawless but they'd certainly have the qualities that are most desirable for me.The Atmasphere is fine but the Frankenstein suits my musical objectives more. The Joule's approach to OTL design and presentation could be more of what I prefer based on your description. Luan I believe our tastes are pretty similar so I understand where you're coming from. I'd love to hear the Joule one day. It would probably be a thrill to have both this and the Frankenstein LOL.

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Thaluza,
The only OTL amplifier I have heard numerous times are the Atmasphere models(transparent,resolute, yields towards a lean interpretation). I've been told that the Joule OTL has a different sonic character. Based on reviews It seems the Joule has a presentation I'd be very drawn to, (transparent yet also full bodied and harmonically rich and complete).As always it's a matter of taste and system synergy. I can imagine your system is exceptionally enjoyable to listen to. Have you compared the Joule to an Atmasphere amplifier (if so are they really different)? With your amp having 8 6C33C tubes I can understand the heat generation. The Frankenstein is certainly in a different direction in the design sense. As I said before, it's easy to believe that both of these could be deeply satisfying for you in their own way. Many roads lead to Rome.
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Schubert,
Thanks for the tip.

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Thaluza,
The EH 300b is a solid quality tube. As you suspect, there are definitely better sounding 300b versions to choose. I understand your reservations regarding higher cost if there's uncertainty about keeping the amplifier. Of course it may just be that you like what the Joule presents sonically over the Canary amp. The Joule and Frankenstein comparison would be interesting and much fun, two different approaches for sure. It seems either amplifier with the CSL will leave you very happy.You'll have no heat issues with the single output tubed Frankenstein, each chassis has only 3 tubes total.
Charles,

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Thaluza,
How has the CSL mated with both your Canary 300b and the Joule OTL and which pairing is working out better for you? I'd bet they both sound really fine.
Charles,

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Thaluza,
I'm not sure that Israel recommends the GZ34, only the GZ37/CV 378. I hope the CSL has met your expectations, better tubes are readily apparent when used in it. As I'm sure you've gathered from previous posts, the W.E. Replica is the choice tube to obtain the very best sound in this line stage.
Charles,

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Bill,
This morning I listened to the Beethoven Opus #20 in E flat Major for septet.
It was performed by members of the Gewandhaus Orchestra, Leipzig. This was a Phillips vinyl recording played on you tube. I enjoyed it and this would be music I could listen to often. I don't know if this is the version that you have, none the less it was good.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
The mixture of those instruments for the Beethoven opus 20 has tempted me, that music has to sound good, what a mix of tones/harmonics it must be.
I'll search amazon music later today, the opus 32 piano has me curious based on your description.
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Hello Joe,
I did post my impression of the Jupiter copper foil capacitor earlier. To summarize, it is a clear improvement over the Solens capacitor but not a profound improvement.The Franks sound very well with the Solens but better yet with the Jupiters. There's no give and take tradeoff, everything improves in this case. Joe I am glad you brought this Frankenstein capacitor upgrade to my attention. They are unquestionably worthwhile and high value given the reasonable cost and performance improvement. With the recent addition of the Mullard CV 378 and Jupiter capacitor the amplifier is just sounding sublime.
Thanks,
Charles,

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Brett,
I believe you're going to enjoy "Jazz In The Key Of Blue" a lot. Roy Hargrove and Russell Malone sound beautiful on this recording. I play this one often.
Charles,

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Beethoven septet? that sounds interesting Bill, what instruments make of the 7 piece group?
Charles,

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Jet,
I don't know what the technical explanation would be but this tube passes the listening approval test with flying colors. It's an excellent rectifier choice for my amplifier and I'm glad they are still available given their 50 year old vintage.
Charles,

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Jet, which rectifier's characteristics do you prefer between these two? Your description of the G37 is what I'm hearing with my amplifier and I like it.
Charles,

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Luan,
If you happened to like jazz trumpet and flugelhorn played in a mellow fashion here are two examples.
Dmitri Matheny, "Starlight Cafe" live recording done a few years ago.

Roy Hargrove, "Approaching Standards". 1990s vintage.
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Hi Luan, Since you enjoyed "Bluesy Burrell" I'll also suggest "The Hawk Relaxes". This is Coleman Hawkins (tenor saxophone) as leader with a prominently featured Kenny Burrell. It's beautiful music.
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"Johnny Bench" that's a good one Bill. When or if he eventually wins the starting QB position it will be becaused he earned it. Not because he was anointed, all the hype regarding him really went over the top. College football isn't the NFL, They're two different worlds.
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I root for Brian Hoyer to thrive. People are so eager to throw him under the bus with the drafting of "Johnny Football". In the NFL you play based on merit and production. That's the way I like it. Brian is apparently better at this present time.

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Hi Bill,
The good thing about this site is we learn from each other. There are certain people who contribute much worthwhile knowledge, perspective and input and I consider you one of them. Some participants here are simply music lovers who use audio equipment only as a means to an end and I strongly gravitate towards these folks, and you fit that category.

I understand your experience with tube rolling, when you find that ideal match in your components the music reproduction becomes increasingly engaging and connects you deeper into it. Bill in just a short period of time
you've made substantial improvement in your system and I know how fully
satisfying that feels (and sounds). Given your current system's development you'll be very happy for a long time.
Charles,

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The Mullard CV 378 tubes arrived today and I installed them and then went to the concert mentioned above. Any thing I say at this point is redundant as Drdavid and Brownsfan have described them so well already. With just a few hours it obvious they surpass the 5u4g rectifiers I use (and these are good). Smoother, more organic and harmonically sorted out but also better resolution and articulation. Simply a superior and more musically/emotionally involving presentation. Listening to guitarist Bobby Broom accompanied by Hammond B3 organ and it's just full of life and dynamic energy. This is the default choice of rectifier for the Frankenstein. Israel is right. As with the Psvane W.E. Replica 101D in the CSL, these are mandatory tubes to aquire to get the best of what these components have to offer.
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There's a Steinway piano gallery near my home that features live jazz and classical music performances on a regular basis. Tonight was a showcase for various budding students of jazz piano. 90 minutes of fun and involvement, varying levels of accomplishments among them, it didn't matter. Hearing people playing what they "feel" and expressing it via an instrument is just special. The audience was smaller tonight compared to when the professional performers are there but the high enthusiasm of the crowd compensated. These developing musicians sincerely appreciated the support and encouragement. Those Steinways(and a jazz guitarist as well) sound utterly beautiful accompanied by drums and acoustic double bass. That bass is just wonderful to hear when played "con arco". This was a very enjoyable evening of enchanting acoustic music played by people with pure passion.
Charles

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Hi David,
I received an email from Luan (Strawbros3 ) who has been using the skinny CV 378 in his Frankensteins the past 3 days. He says they are definitely very good and sound better than the Tungsol 5u4g. He happens to have the fat bottle tubes and will listen to them next. All of you who've used this skinny Mullard are thrilled with its sound in the Frankenstein. I won't worry about the fat bottle s since they're not available anyway.

David, you posted one of the earlier reports of the Psvane W.E. Replica and you were very enthusiastic concerning them. I just want to say that you nailed it! This is a truly superb tube in the CSL and I can't seem to stop listening to music nearly every day. They've made the listening ever more beautifully joyful.
Thanks,
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Alright men listen up, two a day practices begin tomorrow. Linemen and linebackers report at 7 am sharp! Okay, now we're going to the weight room.
Charles,

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Brett,
Pom poms maybe, I'll pass on the outfit. SET folks are a happy bunch.

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Hello David,
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your impressions as much as I do Bill's(Brownsfan). Both of you have very good taste and ears. I am looking forward to receiving the Mullards soon. You, Bill, Strawbros3 and Israel, how can I possibly go wrong with this decision ? Fine tuning the Frankenstein is a lot of fun. David, I assume that you have the skinny bottle CV 378 rather than the "rare" fat bottle version. The fat tube may be the ultimate but all of you seem very happy with the skinny Mullard alternative.
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Hello Dentdog,
The 20 watt tube is the EML 320 XLS and I don't believe the Franks have the proper circuit to realize those 20 watts. I use the EML XLS 300b which is a drop in replacement in this amplifier. Amplifier recommendations are tricky due to the variables, speakers,room size,listening levels,taste etc.

My speaker is 94 db and a 14 ohm load, my prior amp was a 100 watt PP class AB 6550/KT 88. I much prefer the 8 watt SET but that's me, I don't know what you like or want. Your Zu DEF IV is much more sensitive than mine and "should" be a fine match. Germanboxers used the Franks with this same Zu speaker very successfully in a large room I'd email him.

Gsm18439 has this same Zu driven by his 300b SET in a large living space and loves the result. So I think your chances for success are quite reasonable. They are both very nice people and I'm sure they'd respond to you.
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Brett,
I must say, It sure is fun having you back on this site and I hope you get your Wavelength amplifiers up and running soon. Come on Mr. Rankin, take care of Brett.
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Bill,
I imagine that your system as presently configured sounds devine, your happiness shines through via your posts. I must give you ample credit for what you've done. Going from 500 watt transistor amplifiers and Maggies to an 8 watt SET with very different and high efficiency speakers is a drastic change of direction (no kidding huh?). I am genuinely gratified this has gotten you closer to the sound you sought and increased your music listening pleasure/involvement.
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Bill,
I don't want to present to big a deal about the Jupiter capacitors. I've enjoyed the Franks immensely for 5 years with those stock Solens caps on board. The Jupiter is a definitely "solid" upward move but I won't go overboard and say they're transformative(they aren't). The stock Frankenstein is superb. Adding better tubes,fuses and capacitors are just fine tuning and squeezing more performance from this fine amplifier.
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Bill,
Thanks for the article link, I 'll read it tonight.

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Bill,
I look forward to trying the Mullards based on your rewarding experience with them. Israel was emphatic in saying that the CV 378 is the "best" rectifier tube for his Frankenstein creation, who am I to argue?
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Luan,
I spoke with the Canadian Mullard vendor who I purchased from. He says the fat bottle CV 378 is expensive due primarily to their rarity, he said only 2, 000 were ever manufactured. He believes that the skinny (Blackburn plant) CV 378 is very close or equal sonically. Now I know this is just one man's opinion and you've heard both and have your own opinion. At this time it's a moot point, he is out of the fat bottle tubes. You're fortunate to have these apparently rare tubes.
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Hi Shawbros3,
Just in case you're interested in doing this one day. I recently changed input coupling capacitors in my Frankenstein.The Solens 0.47uf cap at the 6em7 tube(driver tube) location. I upgraded to the Jupiter copper foil(1 cap per mono block) the pair cost 170.00 USD. This is less than a pair of the Mullard CV 378 rectifier tubes(250.00 one pair) for this amplifier. It is a very worthwhile upgrade. The longer they're in the Frankenstein the more apparent is their positive contribution. Excellent sound is further improved for a very reasonable cost.
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Shwbros3,
Thanks for your comments on these Mullard tubes. The fat bottle CV 378 seems quite special based on your experience. Well, at least the skinny CV 378 is a solid step up above my 5u4g rectifier in the amplifier.
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Bill,
Good logic regarding the 300b, your current tube is well above the average level and is considered to be a very good 300b. The proof is that you're obviously enjoying your music and these tubes are contributing.
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Bill,
With both you and Israel so enthusiastic about the Mullard CV 378 rectifiers it has gotten my attention. I'll look to Ebay to find a pair sometime this week. I may as well put the best tubes I can find in the Frankensteins. This is likely the last power amplifier I'll own. After 5 years of nearly daily use, my appreciation for its abilities continues to grow.

Bill, the W.E. Replica 101Ds are burned in now and this is an exceptional sounding tube. Just beautiful music reproduction with these in the CSL,an example of money well spent.
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Bill,
A couple of more Frank Morgan CDs.
1) "Twogether"(spelled this way) features the wonderful pianist John Hicks.
2) "Mood Indigo" plenty of Frank's beautiful alto saxophone front and center playing mostly ballads.
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Bill,
Yes, Frank Morgan and kenny Burrell are a formidable musical pair, glad you enjoyed them. I think you'll like the above recommended Kenny Burrell with the legendary Coleman Hawkins. Bill, there's much good jazz I can recommend for you covering a multitude of instruments. Jazz is blessed with many superb musicians past and present.
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Bill,
Here are a few of Tenor saxophone CDs I think you'll enjoy.
1) Coleman Hawkins "The Hawk Relaxes" Features Kenny Burrell.
2) Kenny Burrell "Bluesy Burrell" features Coleman Hawkins.
This two flip group leader role but both are given much space to play. Very good Prestige label early 1960s jazz.
3) Oliver Nelson "Nocturne" Gorgeous.
Charles,

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Thesaint519,
Thanks sincerely for your kind comment. You have an excellent system that obviously required thought, knowledge and of course taste. I'm sorry that your inquisitive and interesting thread had to suffer the unfortunate agenda driven hijacking. Best of luck with your new speaker quest.
Charles,

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Brett,
I agree with Andrew's suggestion for a system page. You have assembled a very fine system and I believe others would certainly appreciate your efforts and subsequent results.
Charles,

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Agear,
My version of "Night Lights" is regular redbook that I've had for about 8 years. Johnny Hartman who along with Carmen McRae are supreme vocalists who are very much under appreciated and known.
"Johnny Hartman" on the Priceless Jazz Collection label is one I highly recommend.
Charles,

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Brett,
I have to admit that I would be interested in the mixed power amplifier scenario outcome. I hope Mr. Rankin gets your Wavelengths straightened out for you soon.
Charles,

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With the recent placement of the Psvane W.E. Replica 101D in my CSL and now the Jupiter copper foil caps in my amplifiers it has increased the distinctions between my favorite 300b tubes. This change for whatever reason has increased my already high appreciation for the Takatsuki. I preferred it over the excellent sounding AVVT SL 32B, the gap has widen further. The Takatsuki simply conveys more soul, emotion and involvement while listening to music. As very competent as the AVVT is, it doesn't pull me in to the same extent. It excels with the sonic check list and beats nearly evey other 330b I've tried. The Takatsuki just brings the music more alive and visceral. This special quality is hard to describe but is easy to
recognize. You hear it and "feel" it also.

Now what's interesting is the EML XLS moved upward as well, I definitely choose it over the AVVT. These two share a common pedigree but the EML is more musically engaging and so dynamically authoritative. The XLS is a superb tube in my amplifier, it gives up a bit of that unique organic magic to the Takatsuki (but not much). The better sounding upgraded 101D has really positively impacted the entire system and extracts more from the SET amp's full potential with premium 300b tubes.
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Hello Brett!
It is a joy to hear from you and welcome back. I've missed you wry humor and always insightful posts. Thanks for your kind comments. Is your system up and running again? I know how much pleasure it provided for you.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I'm glad to hear that and I suspect you'll enjoy the other suggested recordings as well. "Night Lights" is just beautifully done by masterful musicians. This is one of my favorites I take to CES, RMAF and situations where I want to evaluate audio systems. If a system can't reproduce the natural warmth, tonal color and dynamic flow of this CD, well, something is wrong.I believed that your system would preserve the beauty of this music.
Charles,

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Drdavid,
What rectifier and 6em7 tubes are you most pleased with?
Charles,

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Jeff,thanks for the Ebay information .
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I understand you regarding the warranty concerns, and besides the stock Frankenstein will still keep you very happy (as you've discovered). The Jupiter capacitors are just some icing on a delicious cake. They squeeze more performance from the Frankenstein in the same manner as higher quality tubes do (fine tuning an already high foundational baseline). A friend installed the capacitors and called it a simple task, "ample space and few number of parts", minimalist layout.
Charles,

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Bill,
Fellow Frankenstein owner Snopro (Joe) was on target regarding the Jupiter copper foil capacitor replacing the stock Solens(input coupling 6em7 stage) in the Frankenstein.
This was an "excellent" recommendation. As terrific as this amp sounds in stock form the Jupiter improves the sound further upward(tone, resolution and naturalness). Superb SET amplifier for an obtainable price (within reach for many music lovers). As these capacitors accumulate hours they continue to improve. What an absolute treat! Very curious to hear what the Mullard rectifier tube adds to this wonderful mix. Listening to Art Framer and Benny Golson and they sound so beautiful.
Charles,

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Bill,
I got a reply from Israel this evening regarding the Mullard CV 378. He's sold out currently but considers it the best choice for the Frankenstein. Bill was the impact of this rectifier in your amplifier the same level as the Psvane W.E. 101D in the CSL or is that going too far?
Thanks,
Charles,

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Bill,
I'm using Slyvania at the present time. The Mullards have me interested, I had one in my former Quicksilver preamp and it was very good.
Charles,

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Thanks a lot Bill, I'll give Israel a call.
Charles,

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Brownsfan(Bill),
Did you happen to discover the Mullard CV387 or was it a suggestion from Israel? I'm not familiar with that tube, what vintage is it?
Charles,

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Hi David,
I haven't changed the 6em7 driver tube and I didn`think there were many choices of this tube available. Regarding the rectifier I've tried the Sylvania and a General Electric and didn't hear much difference.Some say that the Tungsol version is a good choice. What have you discovered?
Charles,

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Andrew,
I see your point and this scenario or assessment applies for some audiophiles where neurosis is substantial. I'd like to think many audiophiles have the same motive as I do, obtain good audio equipment to enhance the joy of music. The components acquired are just to get you more closely connected during your music listening experiences. There's really no reason to experience anxiety and angst, that takes the fun out of it.
Charles,

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Hello Jeff,
Thank you for your kind comments regarding my system. Jeff I was a diehard analog advocate for many years and still enjoy listening to good quality turntable sourced sysrems. The truth is that my Yamamto DAC is as fully satisfying (I can't say more) as my former TT and records. Not every record made it to CD format as you point out. Conversely there are many recordings that are exclusively Redbook. With jazz there's so much available in Redbook I could live two lifetimes and still not have them all (I'm constantly finding wonderful jazz CDs). The Yamamoto is built by a person well versed in both analog and SET components. He sure found a way to get that same character and feel from his superbly natural sounding DAC.I don't draw a line in the sand, and can easily live with and appreciate both formats.
Charles,

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Agear,
That strategy could be effective, I don't drink and therefore I'm unable to verify. I suspect there are an ample number of folks here who could attest to this methodology and its benefits.
Charles,

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Bill,
Different instrument but beautiful music.
Dmitri Matheny, "Starlight Cafe" this is a live jazz venue recording (just my style!).

Dmitri plays trumpet and the flugelhorn and is accompanied by piano and acoustic bass. Wonderful mellow playing and feel, it's as though you're there with these musicians. I think you'll enjoy it Bill.
Charles,

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Bill,
Looking forward to your impressions back here, like or dislike them, I'll understand.
Charles,

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The new Jupiter copper foil capacitors in the Frankenstein (input coupling position) is beginning to expand/open up and sounds oh so natural. Burn in is still early stage (15 hours) but its forte is tone, harmonic richness and very good music pace and lively fluidity. This amplifier had exceptional nuance and subtle inner detail retrieval, the Jupiter capacitor takes this up a notch. Listening to various trumpeters this morning and their distinct sonic and textural differences are very cleared demonstrated. Terrance Blanhard, Roy Hargrove, Nick Payton or Art Farmer, all beautiful, all so different. Not just in terms of their tonal signature but you hear very subtle approach in inflections and this intensifies the musical emotion and communicates more deeply. These guys can really play! If you can't fully hear the pure tone, color density and harmonics you are missing out on much this music has to offer.

beauty in the music
Charles,

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Bill,
Here are a few saxophonist recordings you will probably like (I sure do).
1, John Coltrane "Plays For Lovers" this is quintessential late 1950s big tenor Coltrane prior to his more exploratory period.
2, Dexter Gordon "Ballads" gorgeous tenor playing by the great Dexter.
3, Charlie Rouse "Unsung Hero" mostly know for his work with Theloneous Monk. On this CD he leads and plays in a devine fashion.
4, Gerry Mulligan "Night Lights" Simply beautiful baritone saxophone playing in this sextet performance.
5, Frank Morgan "Listen To The Dawn" masterful alto saxophonist accompanied by the superb Kenny Burrell (guitar).

These are for starters, if you share my taste then there are others I can happily recommend.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
I know what you mean. I'll get some for you tomorrow morning, I worked late tonight and I'm going to bed. There's some beautiful jazz guitar you may like and I'll list a few for you to consider. Are you a fan of the vibraphone? Trumpet?
Charles,

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Andrew,
I've only used the 5ar4 (Mullard 1950s vintage) in my previous Quicksilver preamplifier and the 5u4 in my Frankenstein amplifier.
Charles,

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Andrew,
The room you are referring to had the Lampizator 5 in use. At CES this year I heard L7 in the Fritz speaker room.
Charles,

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Andrew,
I heard the L7 DAC at THE S.H.O.W.(Las Vegas) earlier this year. Although under less than ideal conditions in an unfamiliar system I still got the sense it was special. You have confirmed this and I'm glad it's all you expected and maybe more.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
My listening volume on average C weighted is 75-83 db. Some times lower(65-70 db) with certain recordings. Once in a while I'll listen at 90-100 db and it really sounds good at these levels(no sense of strain, stays relaxed and fluid) but I want to keep my hearing intact.

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Agear,
Good idea about an accompanying photograph, I'll have to remember to bring home my ER Polaroid camera. Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll definitely check out the baritone saxophonist, I love that instrument.
Charles,

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For my fellow jazz lovers,
Oliver Nelson, "Nocturne".
Charlie Rouse, "Unsung Hero".
John Coltrane, "Plays for Lovers".
These three tenor saxophonists have their own distinctive voice and style. Each one is able to play that instrument heavenly and deeply express music's beautiful emotion. It's an absolute joy listening to them communicate tonight in my room.
Charles,

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Sorry Thaluza, I see where you've state that the Canary 300b amplifier is push pull.

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Hi Thaluza,
I enjoyed reading your detailed reply and learning about your exceptional system, you have "very good" taste. I can imagine that both theJoule OTL and Canary 300b sound beautiful driving the efficient Victory II speakers. If I were to ever venture back into turntables, something like the Lenco/idler type would be my direction (although I really enjoyed my former Well Tempered table).

In your short 3 days of use you have essentially identified the strength of the CLS, nautral and "real sounding", that's it! You're coming from a very highly regarded Joule LA-150 and are obviously accustomed to good sound. I've haven't heard the Coincident Victory II but wonder how it sounds utilizing a ribbon tweeter. Given your expressed taste and experience I'd think that there's a good chance you'd like the music presentation of the Frankenstein. You have two fine power amplifiers but I believe the Frankenstein would mate with your current components seamlessly as well. Is your Canary 300b amplifier push pull or parallel SET?
Keep us posted on your progress and evolving impressions. No doubt that your system sounds wonderful.
Thanks,
Charles,

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Hi Thaluza,
Congratulations and welcome to the Coincident family. How long have you had them and what's your impression thus far? I hope they'll meet or possibly exceed your expectations.
As you've probably gathered, CLS owners who've tried the W.E.Replica101D wholeheartedly recommend them. After running mine continuously for 2 days they really begin to come into their own(although they are recognizably good in the first few hours) . They progressively improve up to about 100 hours or so. What's the rest of your system if you don't mind sharing with the rest of us?
Charles,

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Hi Thaluza,
No I didn't have that experience at all. The tubes are performing without any microphonic issues.These are terrific tubes.
Charles,

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Bill,
Agree with the recognition of deserved gratitude.

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Bill,
Thw limitations of availability and potential microphony are valid. The only time I experienced microphony was when I tried the mesh version of the 101D. The presentation turned a corner while listening last night.You're right, delicacy,decay and nuance retrival are really special.Wow! it's the "little" things that make such a difference.It seems as if the this W.E.Replica has a lower noise floor or increased S/N ratio. The subtlties and contrast gradients are impressively revealed.
Charles,

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I've spent many months enjoying the Psvane Hifi series 101D in my preamplifier, it's a"very good" tube. The Psvane W.E. takes the sound further into the glorious realm of realism. The substain and decay of the musical notes is exceptionally good. The increased harmonic richness and weight just convincingly fleshes out instruments, there's more life and authority. This quality is becoming more apparent as playing time accumulates. The sound is noticeably better than it was just a couple of days ago. Venue ambiance/presence and air is superior to the Hifi series (which was already quite impressive but is drier in comparison). The better the particular recording the more obvious is the influence of the higher quality tube. The W.E.Replica 101D improves music reproduction just enough to immerse you deeper emotionally and the result is "everything is more real"
I'm listening to Junior Mance and Richard Davis "Blue Monk" and it's wonderful. It makes me wonder why the terrific 101D is so rarely used in preamplifiers.
Charles,

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Hi David,
Nice to hear from you. These W.E.Replica tubes are intriguing to me. They are simultaneously highly resolved, very dynamic and yet utterly organic. That's hard to do, usually you'll lose one aspect to gain another one. Your enthusiasm for these tubes are definitely understood. An excellent tube for a wonderful line stage.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
Considering the significant role the preamp has in a system, upgrading its active component(tubes) is unquestionably worthwhile. The impact of this change is equal to that of upgrading output tubes in the power amplifier. With this perspective the W.E.Replica 101D is less costly than buying a premium level 300b.This is money wisely spent.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
Yes and that's what I hoped to describe, the gap between these two 101D tubes isn't vast (so far, but admittedly it's early).I think you and I probably think more highly of the Hifi version than Pap( he felt gap was huge). Yet those subtleties I hear have an impact on the overall presentation and increases the realism effect and this increases the involvement aspect (more emotion). According to Pap this tube really comes into its own with about 100 hours of burn in. Well that's very encouraging given the fact I like it already. I'm glad the CSL was designed to utilize this beautiful sounding DHT tube.
Charles,

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My Psvane W.E. Replica 101Ds arrived earlier today and have been in use the past 4 hours. In this very short period they're steadily improving and becoming smoother and more fluid. So far it isn't night and day better than the Hifi series 101D, but yes it is a better sounding tube. It has more dynamic authority, weight and presence. It reveals more tonal color and harmonic richness or density. It isn't over done technicolor but sounds natural/organic and very believable. There's a bit more of that density of sound I always notice when hearing a live instrument, fuller color saturation. This makes recorded music retain more emotion, soul and breath and life that comes intrinsically in live music. Listening earlier to a recording with multiple instruments playing in unison is gorgeous, the various tones blending and yet easy to identify separately.

There's also increased nuance and subtle cues exposure. It's uncovering the small stuff that mimics live musicians and as a result is moved further from a hifi character.I'm listening to baritone saxophone and trumpet currently and they are very tactile and 3 dimensional This is a very good tube even at this initial stage.

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Duelund or the Vcap would be worthy upgrade capacitors as far as I'm concerned. I believe that you'll be very impressed and happy with the Duelund CAST in your Yamamoto YDA DAC.
Charles,

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Hi Ladanree,
Honestly the choice of what capacitor is "best" is individually and preference based. People debate constantly about is A better than B, or what about C? The caps you mentioned have their fans and avocates. I had the Vcaps in my prior amplifier and preamp, they are very fine. Given what I've experienced and knowing my objectives, I prefer the Duelund CAST. Your desires and objectives could be different and thus a different direction.
Charles,

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Bill,
I've never heard the Triumphs but word of mouth and reviews say that they're very special speakers, you've certainly confirmed that reputation. Your description sounds like the presentation of my Total Eclipse speaker (same bloodlines). I've had them well over 5 years and can't envision replacing them, they just get things right for me. Well you've certainly hit upon an ideal system for your needs. It comes across how happy and content you are with music reproduction in your home.

I can tell you this with a fair amount of confidence, as time passes your
admiration/appreciation of your Coincident system will grow deeper.
They'll let you truly enjoy "all genres" of music you want to hear. By the way
those Psvane black glass tubes are "good" 300b tubes. Yes you can go
higher yet in quality, but they are not slouches by any means. You have many years of excellent sound to embrace and enjoy.
Charles,

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Bill,
I'm deep into jazz and you're a lover of classical music. The common thread, wonderful musicians and acoustic instruments predominantly used. Knowing that you really enjoyed your music via Magnaplanar speakers and big SS amps, your rapid adjustment to low power SET/efficient speaker is fascinating to me. How do your larger scale orchestral recordings sound with this new system? I'm gradually listening to more classical music, it's really good sounding and involving in my system. Pianos and Cellos are just gorgeous !
Charles,

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Ladanree,
I don't have the PS Audio DAC, I use their PWT(transport). The PWT-Yamamoto DAC is an exceptionally nice combination.Your Yamamoto modifications are interesting.I've heard some really fine DACs and CD players.However none of them make me want to rush out I replace the Yamamoto.This DAC responded beautifully to the Duelund CAST output coupling capacitor upgrade.
Charles,

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Bill,
In an endeavor as individualistic as audio/music you never know how things will turn out. I thought you'd recognize the inherent excellence of the Frankenstein and I'm very pleased that you did. It and the CLS are just sublime conveyors of music, the Triumphs keep the music's message intact.
1. The Frankenstein improves noticeably with continued burn in.
2.Better fuses, 300b tubes, amp stands/platforms are easily distinguished from others. I'm sure this is true for power cords as well but I've just have used the Coincident cords (briefly a Siltech cord).
3. You're very impressed in this early stage but it gets quite a bit better.
Charles,

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Hello Bill,
Thanks for your comparison comments, I always appreciate and respect your opinions. That's a very positive report and in line with both Pap and Drdavid's enthusiastic experiences. I'm really enjoying the Hifi series (oh yeah) So naturally I'm eager to get the W.E. Replica into the CLS.
How are things coming along with the new Frankenstein mono blocks? Curious as to how you find the CLS-Frankenstein-Triumph Extreme sibling pairings.
Charles,

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Hi Rok,
"Other Places" Kenny Barron(leader) and features Bobby Hutcherson(quite prominently).

"Skyline" Hutcherson(leader) featuring Geri Allen.
Rok, "Other Places" really comes across as a co-leader arrangement between Barron and Hutcherson. Both are given plenty of space to play(wise decision). I found both CDs on amazon several years ago.
Charles,

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I'm listening to the great vibraphonist Bobby Hutcherson tonight. He's accompanied by pianist Kenny Barron on one CD and pianist Geri Allen on another. What marvelous talent these musicians possess. I'll say this, Kenny and Geri can both flat out play! Oh my goodness! What a pure treat to be able to hear this beautiful music.
Charles,

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I was informed today that my Psvane W.E. 101D were shipped yesterday and I should receive them next week. Given the very positive word of mouth feedback( and Israel's enthusiastic endorsement) I'm really looking forward to hearing them in my Coincident Line Stage.
Charles,

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Hi Lak,
Thanks for your reply, I suspect that the Allnic amplifier could hold its own compared to most competitors with no problem and provides beautiful music in your home.
Charles,

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Bill,
In my opinion Israel Blume is supremely talented and under appreciated in the High End community. Believe me, I've heard many more expensive components that aren't the equal of his products in pure "natural" sound quality.
Charles,

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Bill,
When I got my Frakensteins 5 years ago, with my very first listen straight out of the shipping carton I knew it was the right move.5 years later my admiration and happiness has only grown stronger. You're in store for wonderful music reproduction in your home my friend.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
And congratulations on acquiring the Frankenstein amplifiers. 8 watt SET is quite a change from your 500 watt solid state amplifier. Given your current speakers and the CSL I believe that you won't look back at all and will be absolutely thrilled with this new system. I'm very interested to read your early impression of this terrific set up.
Charles,

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Hi Lak,
Yeah, we're just having some fun. When (if ?) Andrew finally posts pictures of his system they had better be beyond reproach. I'll ask Albert Porter to professionally critique the photography quality.

Lak,
I've read very good things about the Allnic 300b integrated amplifier. Has it lived up to your expectations and which 300b tubes do you enjoy most with it? It appears to be well designed and built. In my Frankensteins the Takatsuki is superb but the EML XLS is an extraordinarily good match as well.
Charles,

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Andrew,
I guess some of my professional work habits have crept into my domestic environment. Those ER Polaroid pictures do serve their intended purpose effectively.
Charles,

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Lak,
Thanks for your nice comments. With Andrew it's just light hearted fun.My room is also in a finished basement and it has worked out beautifully these past 16 years. I can listen at anytime of the day or night without disturbing others. I've had many good listening sessions into the wee hours.
Charles

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Speaking of photography I think the picture of trumpeter Dwight Adams is pretty good. My friend Jwm took that picture on one of our frequent jazz venue outings.
Charles,

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Hi Gary,
How are you? Well I'll say this regarding system pictures. I've always enjoyed viewing the photos of your very attractive listening room/home (converted former bank).Very,very tasteful.
Charles,

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Hi Roxy54,
I really appreciate your very kind commemts. I'm just having some fun with Agear(Andrew).The irony is he's such a watchdog for other's system photos and yet I've been waiting patiently for(years!)him to post his room and system. The pot is calling the kettle black.According to Grannyring (Bill)Andrew's mechanically grounded room is fantastic!I want proof.
Regards,
Charles,

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Hi Albert,
That wasn't directed bI toward you. It was a wise guy response to wise guy Agear who has a fixation on my photography prowess. Albert I'd welcome your offer anytime.
Charles,

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When did photography become a prerequisite for being an audiophile?
Actually I have come to recognize I'm not a hard core audiophile anyway. If for sake of argument there are music lovers and audiophiles(in terms of priorities and sensibilities) I'm probably 70% music lover and 30% audiophile. I have to thoroughly enjoy and emotionally connect to music while listening ( and thankfully I do).So I strongly lean towards components that deliver an organic, holistic and visceral presentation. My objective is nautralness/ realism. The currently popular pursuit of ultra detailed or so called accurate sound leaves me cold and disinterested. It deviates too much from what I hear at Live performances. On 2nd thought I may be 80%/20%.
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Agear,
I corrected my error above regarding Jeff's Lampizator model.

Albert,
Shigeki Yamamoto made his name developing excellent low power SET amplifiers primarily for the Japanese market. He successfully obtained the same sound characteristics via his DACs and I'm grateful for that accomplishment. I Supect you'll be very happy with the Allnic DHT DAC given the talent of its designer. As with Yamamoto he also seems deeply focused on music reproduction and connecting with it.
Charles,

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Correction, Jwm has the Lampizator "Big 5" DAC not the Big 6 as I've stated earlier.
Charles,

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Albert,
No, my Yamamoto hasn't been directly compared with Jwm's Lampizator Big 6. In his system he'll compare the Big 6 with his new Aesthetix. I'm not much of a shootout enthusiast anymore (though they make interesting reading no doubt). The Duelund modified Yamamoto DAC makes beautifully natural music and that's all I'm after. Jwm (Jeff) has two excellent DACs to evaluate and enjoy. The Aesthetix Romulus Signature is really something!
Charles,

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Hi Albert,
To clarify, My good friend Jwm has the new Aesthetix Romulus Signature CD player and he also has the Lampizator Big 6. We live close to one another and I visited him yesterday for an initial listen. I use a Yamamoto DAC upgraded with Duelund CAST capacitors and simply love it(resolution and very organic character). I also use Rick's High Fidelity CT1- Ultimate digital cable and it's superb!
Charles,

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This evening at Jwm's home I had the opportunity to hear a brand new (delivered today) Aesthetix Romulus Signature CD player and it's very good sounding straight from the shipping carton. Even with generic stock tubes it made quite a favorable impression. Exceptionally musically truthful, dynamic, ,powerful and lively in character. I can imagine that with some mandatory burn in it could be something very special. It's certainly off to an attention grabbing debut. His Lampizator level 6 has some major competition.
Charles,

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Hi Stef4,
Thanks for your kind comment. I just went with the Duelund CAST due to their successful results in my speaker crossover. The CAST is equally impressive in the Yamamoto as well. They're superb as output coupling capacitors. Some have reported that the Jupiter copper foil capacitor is as good (or better) for less money, I haven't heard them. No regrets for me, I love the CAST influence in my system. I've been able to hear a number of really fine DACs. None of them compel me to replace the Yamamoto-Duelund CAST combo.
Charles,

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Hello Spirit,
That's wonderful news and I'm very happy for you.Your success with the preamplifier isn't surprising to me. The folks at Audion are clearly talented and know their stuff. It makes sense that their top level and all out assault on the SOTA preamplifier would mate splendidly with the premium 845 Black Shawdow SET. I'm sure you fully appreciate your good fortune and will remain in "heavenly" bliss and indulge in your music. To say you favor it above the esteemed Robert Koda is quite a compliment. As we both understand via the accumulation of experience, it's all about component and system synergy/compatibility.
Best Regards,
Charles,

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Andrew,
I loved my WTT (It was superior to my Linn Sondek LP 12). The WTT with its arm provided what I cherish most, natural music reproduction and musical ebb and flow. Once that arm is set properly in the oil resovoir, just sit back and enjoy. My records just sounded right, the poor recordings were revealed for what they were. Many other brand and models have since come along and are more sophisticated and certainly more expensive. In terms of pure music making ability I don't know that they're an improvement. I strongly recommend that you give one a good listen, I suspect that you'll be impressed. The WTTwas both organic and quite resolved and very nuanced (like a really high quality SET amplifier). Like the best audio components you're pulled into the music and forget about the hifi checklist.
Charles,

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Hi Roxy54,
The Backstage platform is very attractive and I'm sure performs as good as it looks. I love what the Apprentice contribute to my system. The Backstage would expectedly do more at a higher level. Who knows Roxy, you may one day own them.
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Hello Spirit,
That seems like an exceptionally good deal, especially with the 2 week return policy. Four boxes are a lot, however I suspect that this is a genuine all out assault on the SOTA by Audion. Nothing substitutes for actually hearing a component in your home. My gut feeling is that it will mate brilliantly to your Black Shadow 845 amplifier. I'm very curious how this four box preamplifier compares to the single box (or 2?) Robert Koda which is also a highly praised SOTA assault as well. You're in store for much fun and learning for certain. Please keep me posted.
Charles,

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Two highly pleasing recordings I've enjoyed today.
1, Carmen McRae "Ballad Essentials"
2, Steve Nelson "Fuller Nelson" vibraphone.
Two really good CDs of jazz beauty.
Charles,

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Hi Bill,
What's interesting is that the Apprentice are modest cost products in the Star Sound line up. Their SOTA effort is the Backstage platform and is said to be fantastic. I've never use one or know anyone who has tried them. Knowing how beneficial the Apprentice is I'd imagine that the Backstage is something very special. IMO the Apprentice is a genuine high value purchase due to the considerable sound quality improvement it provides. It moves sound in the direction of naturalness and away from mechanical-electronic hifi character.
Charles,

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Fellow jazz lovers you need to hear Thelonious Monk "Live At The It Club". Live club recording from around 1963, the band is in prime form and the venue feel is well captured. This recording really gets the drum kit of Ben Riley realistically and you can clearly appreciate his groove /communication with Monk and the oother players, real nice two CD set! Classic and beautiful Monk.
Charles,

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Thanks Tom, The Apprentice are stout and sturdy. I did not know they had such high a weight capacity.

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Good question Miguel, 300 pounds is a load! You may need to consider the Sistrum SP-101 or their premium platform called the Backstage. Robert at Star Sound could sort it out for you.
Charles,

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Hi Miguel,
How interesting your choice of the word density. I'm listening currently and it's very apparent that instrumental tone, body and definitely the harmonics have become noticeably richer and mimic the live full body tone I love.At the same time low level information and nuances are increasingly resolved.Not the proverbial" night and day" but it's clearly a step up. Roxy54 is right, you should try one yourself.
Charles,

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Nope, no smugness at all. Combining the two excellent products should yield the results I heard. Similar to installing Duelund capacitors in your components, you'd expect significant improvement and that's what you get.
Charles,

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Mitch,
Yes, that's a very young and "slim" Dizzy before his trademark 45 degree trumpet came along.
Charles,

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Andrew,
I realize that the sucessful Troy -Apprentice pairing did not require a stroke of great skill or thought on my part. Pretty predictable outcome in hindsight.
Charles,

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Hi Mitch4t,
That's dizzy Gillespie when he was a member of the Billy Eckstine Big Bebop band.
Charles,

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The Star Sound Apprentice should be the default platform base for the Tripoint Troy. I won't repeat all of my prior praise for the Troy and it has been praised plenty in other forums and numerous reviews. To put it succinctly, it is a terrific and unique upgrade for any high quality audio system. As far as I know the Troy has no moving or active parts inside and sits on very heavy well made solid brass feet (well executed give its performance).

Why does placing the heavy Troy atop the Apprentice improve the sound quality and specifically in the direction of even "more" naturalness and
sense of pressence? Every excellent attribute is further enhanced with use of the Apprentice.Tonal density, harmonic detail and subtle gradients, vibrant true instrument body, colorand overtone delineation. These are the things I'm really aware of when listening to music and what makes the sound realistic and breathe with life and emotion. This is the strength of what the Troy contributes to my system, the Apprentice elevates this to yet a higher tier and I'm genuinely impressed! How can an item that's 1/30th the retail price of the Troy yield such an improvement from an already superb product? The area of physics and acoustics is fascinating, the engineering of this platform is unquestionably the reason for what I hear with this combination. I can't explain the why and how in any meaningful detail, all I can attest to is the sublime results of the music reproduction. Transparency, very low level resolution and musical nuances are notably improved, overall the flesh and blood presence of musicians and venue awareness are the best I've had in my system.

I took the Apprentice over to Jwm's home yesterday and placed it beneath his LampizatOr Big 5 DAC with quite similar results. He already has wonderful sound using the Audio points brass footers. The Apprence took the music to a higher level and it just flows with organic bliss.
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Thanks for sharing that information Fernando, it is a "special" component alright.
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Hi Needfreestuff,
I've been asked that question a few times. For many years I was a dedicated turntable user and loved analog records.It took a while for me to find a CD source that made music not merely hifi.I discovered the Timbre DAC in the mid 1990s and finally had digital that wasn't stomped by my Well Tempered TT. Ikept that DAC 14 years and enjoyed both sources very much.

The Yamamoto DAC came along and just got the soul and emotion of music "right", pure organic involvement. I enjoy it equally to any good TT front end and CDs are so plentiful and cheap compared to the LPs I was buying. I find that jazz music on Redbook CD with my Yamamoto-SET amplifier based system simply "hit the spot" for me.I still like analog records but no longer have a compelling reason to play them anymore.Placing Duelund CAST capacitors in my Yamamoto put it over the top for me. Needfreestuff, thanks for you very kind comments regarding my system
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Bill,
The only negative I have with the Troy is its high cost. I was very fortunate to find a used one (an ultra rare occurrence) and it still wasn't inexpensive. It is a honest to goodness wonderful addition to my system beyond doubt. I hope you succeed in building your own version.
Best of Luck,
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Good choice for your Romulus CD player Bill. The Apprentice are an obvious benefit for my transport and DAC. When my Apprentice for the Tripoint Troy arrives I'm going to let Jwm try it with his LampizatOr Big 5 DAC.
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Tom,
Thanks very much for your informative live music/musician observations.I can imagine how pleased this bassist must be with his improved sound.

Roxy54,
I'm actually using the Apprentice beneath my speakers and the Sistrum SP-101 platforms beneath my SET mono blocks. Same principle at work and same wonderful results with both.
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Roxy54,
I like your desert metaphor, it's appropriate regarding Star Sound. They don't make any outlandish claims. Based on certain principles of physics there are predictable outcomes that one should expect. Their platforms perform as promised and are "very" reasonably priced for what they deliver.
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Tom,
When you think about it that result with acoustic instruments makes sense.The principles of mechanical grounding would predict such an outcome. Instruments and audio components should both benefit.
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Andrew,
I'm fully sold on the merits of mechanical grounding given what it has done when applied in my system.Avoiding efforts to "limit" and "damp" vibration makes sense.The concept of "let it vibrate naturally" and then effectively channel it to ground makes sense{that's what my ears are telling me}.
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Hello Hmiguel,
I will do that, I should receive the Apprentice some time next week.
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I spoke with Robert of Star Sound this evening and as usual he was friendly and informative. He has threaded brass discs that screw into the Tripoint Troy bottom plate in place of the original feet. This is welcome news and will allow the heavy Troy to remain stable on the Apprentice platform. He's quite confident and enthusiastic about this match ands says harmonic richness and tone becomes even better(that's right up my alley!).Based on my experience with his products I'm a believer for certain. I placed my order tonight.
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Jazz lovers here are two very good recordings I really enjoyed last night.
1) Steve Nelson (Vibraphonist) "Sound-Effect".
2) Greg Osby (Alto saxophone) "The Invisible Hand".
Both of these artists are playing with other top notch musicians and they perform beautifully.
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For fellow fans of jazz trumpeters I happily recommend the under appreciated Johnny Coles.
1) "Little Johnny C". I have the XRCD 24 version.
2) "The Warm Sound". Regular CD version.
Both are very enjoyable tonight. Beautiful music!
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Thanks Andrew, I didn't know that you have used both of these products.
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Roxy54,
That's what I'd expect so it isn't surprising to hear that said. Two very good products with different designs and engineering approach.I haven't used the Still points but reviews and word of mouth are consistently full of praise.
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I suspect that the Sistrum Apprentice is likely competitive with the highly regarded Still points isolation footers in terms of sound quality improvement.It would be an interesting comparison.

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Hi Agear,
Yes I've taken my own sweet time getting around to doing this. There's been no rush or sense of urgency, the music listening is immensely enjoyable. I'll throw this back at you regarding "inertia". I and other interested folks have waited patiently(3 years?) for pictures and system page of your mechanically grounded room and components. What's the hold up? No more excuses Andrew.
Regards
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Roxy54,
Are you using them with speakers as well as with your components?
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After many months of enjoying The Tripoint Troy and the Sistrum Apprentice plateforms I've decided to finally combine them. Miguel(Tripoint builder/owner) had mentioned quite a while ago that good platforms will positively impact the Troy. I will buy another Apprentice to place beneath the Troy. I'm thoroughly convinced of the advantages of effective vibration and resonance management. The Apprentice has worked so successfully with each component in my system. The Troy should benefit the same as well. The biggest impact was placing them beneath my speakers. I look forward to hearing how they interact with the Troy.
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I did not know you owned the Cessaro speaker so the Electra Fidelity SET would be an excellent choice based on what I heard.

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Electra Fidelity not Electraprint (same owner/designer I believe).

Arthur I hope to hear a well devised Shindo system one day. From what I've read about them they seem to be the type of components I'd like quite a lot.
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Hello Miguel,
In all candor, adding your Tripoint Troy to my system is one of the best audio related decisions I've made. It took what was a musical experience I loved with my system and genuinely increased it! Only problem (a negligible one) is I can't explain to anyone "how" it does what it does. My ears and visceral response to it confirm that it's doing something utterly special. I thank you for making this superb product.

I haven't heard the First Watt SIT amps but I'd imagine that they're exceptional given their builder's considerable talents.If I were to ever consider owning a SS amplifier this would likely top my short list along with the class A Valvet mono blocks

I did hear the 300b SET Electraprint driving the Cessaro horn speakers at CES this year and I was extremely impressed by the sound and realism. This room produced more dynamic energy,life like presence, tone and involvement than any of the other rooms using mega watt amps driving big inefficient speakers. Those types of systems just lack a degree of naturalness IMO. I believe that you'd really like the Electraprint amplifier.

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Edit, meant to type distant not distance.

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Arthur,
I played trumpet in my distance past and still own two horns (sentimental reasons) and that experience has me value tone, timbre and harmonics of instruments highly. If a component can't preserve the natural tonality and body then I'm not interested. Attending CES 3 times in the last 5 years, it's startling that some well regared and praised equipment is very "hifi" but lacks natural tone reproduction. There was a definite tendency toward a lean, thinner and less body type of sound(drier as well) that isn't authentic (at least to me).

You have obviously owned many fine amplifiers and I'm sure you know what you like. Have you heard any of the First Watt amplifiers and if so what's your impression? Your speakers permit the use of a wide range of amplifiers to explore.
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Hi Arthur,
I welcome and appreciate your comments. The progression to high efficiency speakers and SET amplifiers 5 years ago is a permanent move for me. The Yamamoto DAC is the spiritual soul mate to my SET amp, same gestalt, emotional connection and encompassing musical realism. I suppose that is to be expected considering the builder of this DAC is devoted to SET topologies himself.He stuck with his principles, very simple circuit, strong power supply and avoidance of any negative feedback in this DAC. Adding the Duelund CAST capacitors was an ideal match given the gorgeous sonic results.
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Hi Pops,
I think you'll like Joe Pass. He has a different approach and presentation from Wes, just as for example Kenny Burrell's sound differs from Barney Kessell yet they're all tremendous guitarists. The beauty of artistic individuality. Here are two other guitarist you may like, Bobby Broom "Plays For Monk" and Doug Raney "You Go To My Head".
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Brownsfan,
I've not heard the Triumph monitors but most everything said or written about them has been very flattering. I do concede an advantage to using a preamplifier, amplifier and speakers design/built by the same person with the goal of harmoniously working together. I'll say that Israel Blume was successful.
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Hi Brownsfan,
I've been quite content for some time and just haven't gotten around to ordering the tubes. I'll get around to it in the near future, The standard Psvane 101D are very enjoyable in my humble opinion.
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For fellow Joe Pass fans I have a good recommendation, "Joy Spring". This is a relatively early career recording (1964) but his talent is already apparent at this stage.

A later Joe Pass (1982) is "Blues For Two" a duet which includes Zoot Sims. This is very good.

Since I'm talking jazz guitarists I must recommend "The West Montgomery Trio" (1959). This is vintage Wes playing along with a Hammond B3 organ, good stuff.
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Hi Dmarkov,
I answered your fuse inquiry on your system page. You have certainly owned some very highly regarded preamps! I concluded a long time ago that the Coincident Statement line stage is a genuine audio gem and a stunning addition to my system.

The Takatsuki and Sophia RP were in a different league from the disappointing W.E.300b reissue (at least in my amplifier).I haven't heard the "vintage" W.E. but I'm very thrilled with the AVVT 32b SL and EML XLS as well.
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Hi Ian,
That is a nice box set of well chosen recordings and I currently have about 80% of those titles. IMO the AVVT and EML XLS are quite similar in sound although internally they are visually different. I can recommend either tube with the highest enthusiasm. A few people have said that these European 300bs are a bit mechanical or rigid. Maybe in certain amplifiers depending on driver tube or circuit configuration.
In the Frankenstein they work beautifully and are very fluid and allow the music to flow effortlessly.
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Ian,
The Eclipse series of speakers (your former Super and my Total) are likely easier loads to drive . This would explain why the Frankenstein MK II seems effortless with them.

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Ian,
I recognize that different listeners have varying demands. Some PRE owners are completely satisfied with the Frankenstein alone and others require more power for these speakers. So as usual it's horses for courses.I did find the PRE presentation more "front row" compared to my Total Eclipse II which are slightly laid back (relatively speaking). These speakers have very different tweeter and midrange drivers (ceramic vs paper).

You'd probably like the Takatsuki and the EML XLS with your current system voicing

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Ian,
Congratulations on acquiring the PRE speakers, what amplifier are you driving them with?

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Hi Ian,
The AVVT is a very linear and top to bottom balanced 300b variant (mine is the 32b SL). The Sophia RP was very good sounding in my system for the 2 weeks I had them on loan. Both have a natural high frequency sound and neither sound hyped or emphasized in this region. The RP may be just "slightly" more upper frequency extension if memory serves me correctly. Overall I'd say the Sophia RP is subtly warmer and fuller in my amplifier. Both are at the premium 300b level IMO. I didn't have both at the same time for direct comparison.
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Drdavid says he just got a pair of the AVVT 32b from Jac's Music for his Frankenstein amps.
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Try calling Dennis Fraker of Serious Stereo at 406 222 9229. I bought my AVVT 32b SL from him last year and they were in excellent condition and sound splendid. This hard to find tube is a gem.This AVVT 32b and the EML XLS are cut from the same premium cloth
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Hi Jet,
Yep, wonderful music! When you consider that it was recorded in 1954 it surely has stood the test of time.
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Hi Pradeep,
I Concur with your comments regarding Sarah Vaughn. I also simply adore the beautiful tone and emotion of the great Clifford Brown's trumpet mastery. In truth I love the contributions of every performer on this classic jazz gem. Convincing realism, oh yes!
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Hi Pradeep,
That is definitely a mono recording done in 1954-55 and yes it's beautiful music by two legends. I play that CD often and always feel as though I'm in the venue with them.
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Hi Tjkurita,
I meant every word I said about the Duelund CAST but recognize there are other superb products available. Your AN Silver capacitors are considered to be among the absolute best. There's no guarantee that the CAST would necessarily be better in your amplifier (different, probably). I'd believe that either of these capacitors would result in a superior upgrade for most applications.
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I continue to be fascinated by the effects of the Duelund CAST capacitors. I've had them for quite some time in my DAC and speakers and they are indisputably a superb audio product. In retrospect I can say that they'll continue to improve probably up to 400-500 hours. Subtly after about 300 but they do continue the progression. They are good straight out of the shipping box and noticeably better at the 100-150 hour mark.

Their ability to present a profoundly natural sound has earned my deep admiration. They actually improve all aspects of sound but for those music lovers who appreciate genuine tone, harmonics and timbre as I do will love
this capacitor. They simply increase the nuances,emotion and organic bliss
that's present in acoustic instruments and voice. What ever they're doing at
Duelund they surely got it right.

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Coltrane begn to play the soprano saxophone more frequently as he moved on. He mastered the soprano and played it beautifully but I just prefer the sound of the tenor saxophone, full, rich and big body tone. Coltrane and Dexter Gordon could really make that luscious big tone tenor sax communicate.
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Hi Spirit,
Mr Coltrane, yep! I like his sound and style of playing during his Prestige and Atlantic Records period more than the later Impulse years. Certainly you could say he continued to "evolve" but I listen more often to his earlier music as I find it more soulful.
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For those who love jazz piano I recommend "Twogether" (correct title spelling). Features the very gifted but under rated John Hicks with alto saxophonist Frank Morgan on 4 of the selections. Sheer beauty.
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"Holistic listening experience", Spirit that sums up the SET effect and again you're right with stating, "an irreversible move". Right now I'm listening to pianist John Hicks playing along side saxophonist Frank Morgan and the venue atmosphere and musicians are utterly palpable. Pure enjoyment. Spirit just continue to fully appreciate what you have.
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Spirit,
I thought the KR 845 had non standard specifications. If your Audion dealer gives the green light they are okay it seems.
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Spirit,
Doesn't the KR 845 tube have different operational point parameters compare to the more common RCA standard used by most 845s?

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Hi Spirit,
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Spirit as you've probably realize by now I won't go into a lot of audiophile speak, instead I try to give the essence of what I hear.
The W.E.Replica I've heard in numerous listening sessions with my long time friend Jwm(Jeff) using his Absolare Passon PSET mono blocks.
This tube in comparison to the Shuguang-T and RCA 845 is more organic or natural in presentation. Instruments and voice are more convincing and realistic in that the tone, timbre, harmonic overtones are more completely intact and undiluted. Body and weight are appreciated but aren't overdone or emphasized just present in a balanced way. What I hear is the true color, energy and warmth of real instruments hut again avoiding embellishment. The RCAs were pretty good in this area but the Psvane W.E. do this while also sounding more open, clear and definitely more tranparency. I find that combining tonal warmth and body will superior transparent sound is achieved with only the best products. So for me this tube is emotionally involving and effectively pulls me deep into the enjoyment of music. Jeff's Shuguang's weren't bad but they aren't as refined and natural. In his amplifier it's Psvane W.E., RCA then the Shuguang. I'd expect the Psvane to fit well with your Audion given its noted resolution and lack of editorializing.
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Pradeep,
Just about every one I listed was originally released on LP. If you can't find them on vinyl, believe me the CD versions sound quite fine.

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Pradeep,
I have to definitely recommend Sarah Vaughan "How Long Has This Been Going On?" This one I prefer over "Crazy and Mixed up"by her.
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Correction,
"Helen Merrill" also features the great Clifford Brown.

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Pradeep,
I have no idea if your taste are similar to mine, here are some of my favorites.
Carmen McRae, "Great American Song Book" live in a jazz club 1971
" " " Bittersweet" early 1960s.
" " "Velvet Fog"

Sarah Vaughan," "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown"
" " "Crazy and Mixed up"
" " "After Hours"

Mary Stallings, "Fine and Mellow"

Shirley Horn, "I Remember Miles"

Roberta Gambarini, " You Are There"
"Helen Merrill with you Clifford Brown"

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Hi Pradeep,
Thanks for your very considerate comment on my system, it's much appreciated.
To be clear do you want a list of my favorite 10 female "singers" or 10 favorite female individual "recordings"?
Charles

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Tjkurita,
I'll acknowledge that there are exceptions to every rule, particularly regarding audio. Based on my experiences more often than not the simpler approach seems to yield a more natural sound which =better sound. Components with fewer parts and simple circuits, speakers that use minimal ( or no) crossovers, short signal paths etc. Preferring these choices you'd think I'd eliminate the line stage and opt for source-amplifier direct(or passive) but I don't. That additional component in the signal path when of high quality just sounds better and more complete IMO. If I were to ever move away from minimal crossover cone speakers, if would be toward
a welll executed horn speaker with a high load impedance. I doubt that I'll ever abandon low power SET, I'm totally hooked.
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Hi Brett,
I believe that Shigeki Yamamoto has a good musican's ear and the special ability to convey that gift through his components.

Hi Bill,
I feel that I have a very competent tech and I'm comfortable deferring to his judgment. He wired the CAST just as the original capacitors were and I certainly defer to Mr. Yamamoto.
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Hello Gadmanrdh,
Thanks very much for your comments concerning my system. This system does provide consistent music listening fulfillment and deep joy.
Charles,

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Bill,
Does this new picture clarify the CAST capacitor connection better for you?

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Bill,
6 Moons November 2008 Yamamoto YDA-01A review has pictures of the DAC interior and the wiring of the output caps seems the same to me.

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Bill,
I left that decision to my tech and I suspect that he wired them same as the original Yamamto capacitors. Bill you need to move here and be my neighbor. I'll try to take a clearer picture of the internals.
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Spirit,
I'm as happy and pleased as I can be with how my music is being reproduced. I spend a lot of time listening and thoroughly involved with what ever happens to be playing,(I watch television sparingly). The Tripoint Troy was the delightful icing on the cake and finishing touch.
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Hi Spirit,
If your system is on the mark 99% of the time your are doing something obviously right and there's no need to tamper with sucess. Just continue to sit back and indulge in your wonderful sound and enjoy your music collection. There are a number of excellent preamps that would likely make you just as happy as your Hovland. Why switch if you're already there?
Charles

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Hi John,
Thank you very much for your kind comments on my system.
It's been a year since I have placed the Duelund CAST into my DAC and speakers. The splendid musicial realism and involvement they increased in my system exceeded very high expectations. If the CAST capacitors were twice their cost I'd still obtain them for what they contribute to my enjoyment.
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Firat,
The EML XLS is a simple direct replacement tube and is a noticeable improvement over the black treasure 300b. I've used both in the Frankenstein and will be fine with either version of the amplifier.
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Firochromos,
What 300b tubes are you currently using?
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Firochromis,
To the best of my knowledge from people who have heard both, sonically they are "very" close. Differences were nearly nonexistent.
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Comparing the Shuguang and the Psvane 101D tubes is intriguing. The Psvane is smaller and the interior architecture is rather different between the two. I wonder if internal materials differ also, something has to account for the differences in their sound. It isn't a case of bad vs good, it's very good vs exceptionally good.

The Shuguang is able to reproduce excellent sound in the Coinccident line stage without question. Some how the Psvane enhances the beautifully natural sound further and it just causes me to wonder how this is accomplished. Tonality, timbre, harmonic over tones, tactile presence, subtle sounds and nuances are all improved from an already high baseline.
The Psvane offers this superior sound for the same price aas the Shuguang, what a deal! Few components utilize the 101D tube, that should change. This splendid tube is capable of reproducing music in an utterly sublime manner.
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I placed the new Psvane 101D in my CSL in place of the very good stock Shuguang tube. This Psvane is simply better sounding and needless to say I am quite impressed. When you get more organic sound along with higher resolution/nuances you know you've found a special product. The tone of this 101D is just beautifully life like.
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Agear you crack me up . It still there as I use it when reading, I've learn to shut it off when taking pictures thanks to you.
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Out of pure admiration I posted a picture of my man Dwight Adams. When he isn't busy touring with Stevie Wonder or teaching jazz in Wayne State University's Music Department he plays the trumpet fabulously.
This is him last week blowing some first rate Hard Bop ! I'm sitting close to the action as usual.
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A must recommendation,
Harold Land "Promise Land" beautiful playing and well recorded (minimal compression). Land is a fabulous tenor saxophonist who is much under appreciated in my opinion. This CD also features pianist Mulgrew Miller and drummer Billy Higgins.
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Bill,
The Sistrum Apprentice is SP-SA-102 it's 14" depth. My speaker's depth is 22" so Robert of Star Sound recommend placing two Apprentice beneath each speaker. Sonically it worked out very well. Ideally for cosmetic sensibilities a single "custom" size Apprentice would be the ticket. I'm not complaining however.
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Firat,
Israel believes in brevity at times but has always been fast and responsive for me over the years. The current Frankenstein has a "ground lift" switch but lacks a "grounding post". I connected the Tripoint Troy ground cables to the Frankenstein chassis screws. This required getting small connecting spades on the Troy's cable, it worked out fine.
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Brett,
I concur, you said it exactly right!
I'll have to get your two recommended CDs and thanks.
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Brett,
I suspect you'd really like Delfeayo Marsalis, "Minions Dominion" features his brother Bradford as well as Elvin Jones and Mulgrew Miller. First rate playing by top tier jazz men.
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You're observant Brett, Miles and Shirley were dear friends for many years. I don't blame Miles, you can't help but notice the presence of an attractive woman.
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Recommendation,
Shirley Horn "I Remember Miles" also features Roy Hargrove and Ron Carter.
Very well done session, the music is beautiful. Typical of Shirley Horn.
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I'd ask Israel Blume for suggestions.

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Firat,
I looked at your system and realized you also have Coincident speakers, so of course no ground post.

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Hi Firat,
Good to hear from you. I don't utilize the Ocellia ground wire on their speaker cable as there's no place to connect them to my speakers. Ocellia's speakers and Tannoy for example provide a ground post for these wires. Do your speakers have a ground post? Thanks for your nice comments Firat.
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Hi Bill,
Israel has been nothing but stellar in any dealings I've had with him.
No resistors and hardly any capacitors, only two in your speakers and one in my speaker.That's typical for Coincident, he believes in minimalist crossovers. You'll be in sheer delight when the Duelund caps are installed.
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I'm a jazz diehard and it will always be my first love musically speaking. I am gradually adding more classical music to my listening and I do like it, more than I expected. Listening tonight to Janos Starker and also Mstislav Rostropovich. It really something, both play the Cello brilliantly yet sound nothing alike. It's a genuine pleasure hearing both.

For a jazz analogy, drummers Elvin Jones vs Phily Joe Jones or pianist Theloneous Monk vs Oscar Petterson. All great musicians with their own approach, I love it.
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Grannyring,
You're welcome. I've always thought that with a well devised audio system that aims for natural -realistic(such as yours) rather than "hifi sound" silver is ideal.
Good quality silver cables reveal(preserve) more natural tone, harmonic information as well as transparency and nuance. Simply put, more realism than copper wire IMO.
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I thought Tbg was a Stillpoints advocate/user. Tbg has both the Troy Signature and also the new High Fidelity Power Wave conditioner? He must be having plenty of fun I'd imagine. The Audiopoints are exceptionally cost effective.
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Correction,
It's Alesa Vaic not Alexis.

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Agear,
I've given it some casual thought but I'm so pleased with everything I just haven't followed through on doing so. I'll eventually get to it. The Troy is marvelously natural.
Charles

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Mark,
At one time Alexis Vaic and Ricardo Kron were partners and made tubes together . Later they went their separate ways, Vaic (AVVT) and Kron (KR Audio) both made their tubes in the Czech Republic. EML are made in the same country as well, thus all three share this common pedigree and some similarities in appearance and construction. Based on my listening the AVVT and EML are more closely related sonically than the KR tubes.
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Brf,
Your take on the Duelund CAST is insightful. I immediately heard their beneficial effects upon placement in my speakers. However the sound just kept steadily improving for week after week. The stock speaker is quite transparent and natural to begin with. The performance improvement with just changing the speaker's single capacitor in the crossover is actually remarkable. The cost of the CAST in reality is cheap given the results they yield.
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Brf,
Thanks, I knew the EML XLS 320 isn't a drop in replacement as the 300b XLS is. I believe the Alexis Vaic "VV" tubes were his earlier line and was followed by the AVVT tubes.
Brf what's your final verdict on the Duelund CAST in your speakers?
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Brett,
I don't know if they're the same tube or not. Vaic did make several 300b variants, the 32b is a large tube with thick glass and is a drop in replacement electrically speaking.

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1markr,
The more I listen to the AVVT 32b the more I've come to genuinely admire its beautifully natural sound. If you ever buy a second pair of 300b tubes I believe you'll love the pedigree related EML XLS. When did you discover SET and high efficiency speakers?
I'm listening to Russell Malone with Kenny Barron right now and I'm in musical heaven.
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I'd like to recommend to anyone who uses a 300b amplifier to seriously consider the AVVT 32B SL tube if you happen to come across a pair(out of production). It's a direct replacement and is sonically very much similar to the brilliant EML XLS. Since I've acquired the Tripoint Troy these two tube's many attributes seem to have gotten better. Overall exceedingly close to the Takatsuki but with a more robust, larger scale authoritative presentation, yet organic and very nuanced. For their cost they are a true significant value given the performance provided. The AVVT 32b used (hard to find these days) is a spectacular buy and offers ultra long life span (40,000 hours per manufacturer).
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Hi Jeff,
That's plausible, however the fact that the sound improved 'significantly' (in one week) would suggest either direction yields good sound, IOW the sound didn't remain bright. On the other hand the Yamamoto DAC improved immediately with the fuse change.
Bottom line, all components improved with the better fuses.
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Devilboy,
I've read that as well regarding direction orientation but haven't done it myself. It's so satisfying as it is I didn't bother with changing the fuse direction.
Charles,

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Hi Devilboy,
I just went with Synergistic Research as word of mouth and the grapevine endorsements were consistently enthusiastic. They have worked out well for me, but other upgrade fuses could be as good for all I know. I assume that they're in the AC path. It goes without saying that this is component and system dependant as far as results are concerned. For whatever reason the improvement was immediate with my DAC but required about a week to sound good in my Coincident components.
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Grannyring,
If you happen to see this post heres a question for you.
You mentioned acquiring a 45 SET amp a few months go and I was surprised its 1.5- 2 watts mated well with your speakers. Are you still using it and have you done any modifications to it? I know how adept you are at high level DIY.
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Hi Dan,
LOL! I really felt you'd love the EML XLS if given a listen. Congratulations my friend.
Charles,

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Dan,good news!
No problems with these tubes , just I thought. I look forward to your initial assessment.

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Hi Dan,
I just don't believe you'll have any problems with this superb tube. On the other hand the EML 300b mesh plate does have some installation restrictions (amplifier watt dissipation 22- 28 watt limit, my amp dissipates 25 watts for example). I'd like to know your early impressions when you have time. For me they sounded quite good brand new and steadily improved over the following 100 hours or so.
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Brf,
I know that Israel Blume (Coincident) discontinued using/offering the KR tubes due to reliability and poor warranty support. He did like the sound of these tubes, now I understand why after listening to them.
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Brf,
I believe they were sent by Swampwalker.

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Hi Dan,
Reading the EML XLS description it clearly states it is a "plug in" replacement and this tube will auto set it self to WE 300 b standard in an amplifier. The 27 watt output is possible under"maxium " load conditions(which isn't recommended). Your output would remain at 9 watts with this tube. I think you'll be happy with this tube in your amp.

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My buddy jeff (Jwm) was sent a pair of KR 300b tubes to test. After testing them we put them in my Frankenstein and spent time listening and then comparing with my EML XLS tubes. These KR are very good sounding! Compared to the EML the KR is a bit warmer and darker in character with a full tonality and just a bit less high frequency air and sparkle. The overall presentation is quite good and musically involving, it's the antithesis of clinical and sterile. It and the EML are both quite noticeably better sounding than the Sophia Princess mesh tubes I spent much time with last week(Luan thanks for the loan of these Sophias).

The EML in direct comparison is more dynamic, resolved, airy and transparent(yet remarkably organic) KR just "slightly" less so. All things considered I could be very content with this tube. It's capable of communicating the music's emotion to a high degree and has an organic fluidity and flow (definitely not mechanical and stiff).
This is an impressively music conveying tube.
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Dan,
I understand your caution, better safe than sorry. I was pretty sure the EML XLS is a drop in replacement 300b and has been fine in my amplifier. I think you'll be okay.
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Hi Spirit,
Given the fact that you, Gary, Phil (213cobra) and Germanboxers love these speakers leads me to believe that they're quite good. All of you certainly demostrae very good taste with your system/components selections. Loud rock just does very little to move me.
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Thanks Gary.

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Gary,
I've only heard Zu speakers a few times at shows and was disappointed. All they played was ultra loud rock music, not impressed by high volume demonstrations. I'd love to hear your Zu DEF IVs driven by the Ancient Audio 300b playing Carmen McRae, Monk or Dexter Gordon at reasonable listening levels.
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Hi Gary,
I wonder if the Green Mill goes after the same crowd as the Jazz Showcase.
I'll have to try the Green Mill on a future visit. The Jazz Showcase definitely attracts the jazz diehards, these folks are really into the music and appreciate the musicians talent and efforts. I felt I was amongst brothers and sisters.
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I'm in Chicago this weekend to visit my wife's family. My mother in law is a true jazz fan so last night she took us to a venue called the Jazz Showcase to hear the Joey DeFrancesco organ trio. What a fun time! Great atmosphere with a very enthusiastic audience. The music was first rate and beautiful to listen to. I'd happily recommend this histotic club to any jazz fan who'll happen to be visiting Chicago.
Next week, Lee Konitz and in two weeks Roy Hargrove! What a fine live venue this place is.
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Thanks Sal, I can't have too many good vibraphonist playing recordings. The more the merrier.

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Jazzdoc,
I have three of your suggestions but not the Red Norvo, I'll check that one out.
Thanks Roxy54, that one I haven't heard.

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For those who love jazz vibraphone as much as I do here are a few recommendations.
Milt Jackson, "Big Bags Milt Jackson Orchestra" 1962.
Milt Jackson, "Bags and Trane" 1958.
Bobby Hutcherson, "Skyline" 1998. Also "Manhattan Moods"
Victor Feldman, "Merry Olde Soul" 1961.
Roger Kellaway, "Live At The Jazz Standard" features a lot of vibraphonist Stephon Harris 2006.
Each player has their own sound but they all really can play! I never get tired of listening to them. This is a small but delicious sample of their wonderful talents.
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Thank you Brownsfan.

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Isochronism,
Thanks, I like jazz guitar with Hammond B3 organ combos.
Here's one for you. Doug Raney, "You Go To My Head" Raney is a first rate guitar player. This recording is filled with beautiful chords. His playing of Barbados (Charlie Parker wrote this) is gorgeous. No organ, just guitar, bass and drums.
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Brownsfan,
Where did you order your tubes? Yes Israel has been using the Psvane 300b with the Frankenstein.
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Brownsfan,
I'd think that the Carys with 500 watts per channel is a very good match for your speakers.The vast majority of maggie owners gravitate to high power SS amplifiers.

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Brownsfan,
I got this reply from Israel this morning. "The Psvane 101D is excellent, , it's airier and smoother than the Shuguang version". He will switch to the Psvane in the CSL going forward. That's saying a lot when you consider how superb the CSL sounds with the standard Shuguang. I'll order a pair.
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Jwm,
You're preaching to the choir. I'm glad the move to SET amplification has worked out so well for you. After fours years of SET I'm beginning to think that there's no 'going back' for me.
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Brownsfan,
Israel has been very busy! It seems he had a quite sucessful RMAF, well he's certainty earned it. I'm curious if his Dragon MK II 211 amplifiers would match with your maggies(that'd be fun to audition). You are very happy with your system so the 'need' to change doesn't exist, just the curiosity about the potential of other components. I believe the Coincident Triumph would be an excellent starting point for a high level smaller room audio system.
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Heavy blues influenced jazz I happily recommend .
1, Milt Jackson and Ray Charles, "Soul Brothers Soul Meeting" pure joy to listen to.

2, Hank Crawford, " Low Flame High Heat" Crawford takes the lead on Alto Saxophone but the accompanying musicians provide gorgeous harmony and tone underpinning. This is very good blusey jazz.
3, Joe Turner, "Every Day I Have The Blues" Joe is a Chicago bluesman who tends to record with jazz men, it works out fine. Good Pablo label sound also.

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Hi Brownsfan,
I wasn't aware of the Psvane 101D, they must be relatively new. I wonder if Israel has tried them yet. Did you know that there's a remote control CSL version available now? This one uses resistor volume control rather than the transformers in our models.
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Agear,
Thanks for the comments and also the music recommendations. Many of those artists listed are unfamiliar so this is a opportunity to hear something new.
Charles,

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Agear,
My humble apologies for allowing such an inconsequential topic as music to appear here. I take full responsibility for this wayward direction on audiogon and accept the shame. Tubes vs transistors anyone? Pinpoint imaging?
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Hi Sal,
You're welcome, I thought the Ocellia Silver cables would be a fine match with a revealing but natural sounding system such as yours. The Ocellia have minimal editorializing effects. What did you think of the HF CT1 cables? I use their Ultimate version for digital duties and I ove it, haven't heard their standard level cable however.
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Sal,
"Blue Fames" is very good music. If you like that you'll also enjoy my earlier Shirley Scott suggestion for "Blue Seven".
Charles,

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Jetrexpro,
Hope my answer was helpful to you .

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Hi Dan,
Thanks for the recommendations. I can't get enough of either Dexter Gordon or Shirley Scott. The music library just continues to grow.

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For anyone who appreciates jazz Hammond B3 organ I recommend Shirley Scott, "Blue Seven". Also featured is Oliver Nelson (Tenor Sax) with Joe Neumann (Trumpet). This is very good!
Charles,

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Albert,
I've heard Quebec with Grant Green but not with Burrell (who I like even more than Green) I'll order this one, thanks.
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Hi Albert,
Thanks very much for your kind compliment regarding my system. As is the case for many here on this site I've admired your SOTA system from afar for quite sometime and enjoy reading your system thread. .

You'll right Albert I do happen to have that Horace Parlan recording and really like it. It features the Turrentine brothers together (which didn't occur often enough). You may likely have this already but I'll recommend Dexter Gordon, "Doin' Allright" as it features Parlan along with Freddie Hubbard and is very good. I guess we're both happy jazz diehards.
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Thanks Sal for the recommendation.
I'll suggest Coleman Hawkins "The Hawk Relaxes" early 1960s on Prestige, it features prominently Kenny Burrell. I think you'll like it.
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For those who enjoy jazz trumpet I recommend Lee Morgan's "Candy". This is a 19 y.o . Lee who sounds like a true veteran with a very beautiful tone and approach. This is a Rudy VanGelder early stereo Blue Note but sounds like his Prestige label work ( I mean this as a compliment). I feel that the Prestige sound was fuller, fleshed out and natural. His Blue Note sound is usually leaner and more forward, not bad, just different . "Candy": is very good music that's also well recorded. Sonny Clark is the pianist.

Jazz trombonist Benny Green, "Glidin Along" very good bop player as well as ballads. Excellent music along with good sound. Features Johnnie Griffin, Ben Riley and Junior Mance. Early 1960s , I love this CD.

Roy Hargrove, a wonderful trumpeter, "Parker's Mood" trio playing the great music of Charlie Parker. Features Stephen Scott (piano) and Christian McBride (Acoustic bass) and is just very good across the board. Recorded on Verve label in the early 1990s, this is a classic.

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I have no problem believing that the higher level Star Sound all brass "Stage" platforms are superior. What's refreshing is that the Apprentice models are so good sounding and very effective at their much lower price point. Excellent performance/value ratio.
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Isochronism,
I received my CD of "Shayari" by Ron Blake today. Thanks for this recommendation, I like it quite a bit and will listen to it on a regular basis.
Charles,

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Agear,
Given your description of the Dale Pitcher speakers, it would seem that with the Viva Solista SET you'd never be able to get out of your room once the music begins(complere captivation). Do you plan to use his power conditioner in conjunction with the Tripoint Troy Signature? Sounds like an utterly fascinating combination.
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Agear,
You`re going to have a world class "music reproducing" system.I`ve heard the Viva SET amplifiers and I love their sound.As long as you match the right speaker you`ll be very happy and listen for long sessions and often.

SET+Tripoint Troy+Lampizator= musical bliss.
I look forward to your system pictures and listening impressions when you have the time.Your specially prepared room(mechanically grounded) with these well chosen components should be fabulous.
Charles,

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Yes,
Let`s begin the campaign for Agear to post his customized Star Sound grounded room.

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Agear, Thanks. When do you plan to post your room/system? Robert(Star Sound) has commented on it to me several times.

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Jeff,
As you know I usually have that light behind my couch for reading. I just moved it to get more light for the pictures, may try another method.

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Hi Agear,
There's actually little tube "glow" with my Coincident components. The 101d tubes of the linestage have a very subtle light output (translation, dim). My choice of 300b, Takatsuki and EML emit very little light. Doesn't matter once you hear them, you become completely engrossed in the musical emotional experience and sink right in. There's plenty of aural illumination and life energy that will fill the room and bring the space alive (I'll take that trade off) Now about that halogen floor lamp....
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Hi Spirit,
I'm not in a position to compare the merits of theTripoint Troy and the Entreq Silver Tellus. I dont doubt that they have different approaches and it's clear you are very pleased with the Entreq in your excellent system.

All I can say is that the Troy now in its second week in my system is insanely good! The level of 3 dimensional quality, pure organic tone, harmonics, along with superior dynamics and fluidity has simply surpassed my rather high expectations.
I don't know how anyone could ever go wrong with either products given
what they've done for our respective audio systems. I'm convinced that the
Troy does "settle " into a system over a period of time and just improves. A
quick A/B demonstration probably doesn't reveal the full impact it truly has
to offer.

Charles,
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Hi Agear,
I think the Troy sitting between the Coincident Statement line stage looks stately and refined, you can even see Miles Davis reflection on the CLS. Hey, that's down right artistic.

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Agear,
The principles of grounding are proven in my recent experience and now I've found religion and have joined the congregation. I'm glad there are good grounding options that are effective and affordable for a wider population of listeners. The Troy is a Rolls Royce product (both in cost and quality) that will be out of reach for many folks with good ears and good systems. The marketplace needs and offers alternatives and thus more can benefit from utilizing these products.

Agear I know that once you get the Troy Signature you'll be utterly pleased and consider it money very well spent. In the context of your special room constrution and system I'd agree.
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Spirit,
Yes, that makes us even, both of those choices are good and are serving us quite well.

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Spirit,
Your success with the Entreq Silver Tellus is one of the main reasons I became more interested in these grounding products. Having a used Tripont Toy MK II fall into my lap was simple luck and great timimg.Like I`ve already written the Troy is a fantastic addition to my system and has become a permament asset.The music is beautiful,vibrant and just flows.
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Sal,
It seems that addressing grounding in an audio system at even a basic level is still worthwhile. It must be satisfying to know your ground box is providing positive results.
Charles,

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Sal,
I didn't ask and just assumed(perhaps erroneously) it and the grounding cables are breaking in as long as the components are powered on.
Charles,

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Brett I`ll checkout the Ron Blake CD you suggested, thanks.

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Brett,
When you see the Troy in person the beautiful fit and finish just draws your attention, its appeareance matches the sound. Brett the room is 14x 25 and opens to the left side into a slightly larger room(there`s no wall or door to seperate the space). 8 watts is enough power to fill my room at the volume levels I listen to.
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Hi Bill,
I always thought if you heard a "good" SET amplifier you`d like what they can do.The 45 tube has a great reputation for sound quality,the drawback is its low power(1.5-2.5 watt) output. Pleasantly surprised it drives your Coincident as well as they do. The Korneff was considered one of the better quality 45 SET amps.I`m sure with your vast DIY experience you`ll squeeze more out of this amp.

With a higher powered(8-10 watts) 300b SET amp and your speakers you could play any genre of music. It`d be fun for you to have one of each type of SET.Bill, you`re having a lot of fun with this hobby,keep it up!
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Brett,
You`d still have one functioning kidney so no need for dialysis.

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Brett, All I can offer is this,my Troy MK II is simply wonderful. Word of mouth says the current Troy Signature is even better(I`ve no reason to doubt this).People do just fine with one kidney by the way(food for thought).
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Agear,
Miguel says it may take up to 30 days for the sound of the Troy to fully settle. Fernando Cruze said 2-3 weeks for the new grounding cables to completely burn in. . So time will tell ultimately. From intial listening on 9/12 thru last night I can confirm considerable improvement. I`m a genuine supporter regarding the very high musical merit and worth of this product. All the praise and admiration it has received in the last 5 years is legitimate.
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Brett,
You should have had Christian sign your copy of "Finger painting". Was this a chance meeting or were you at a concert?

Agear, in all honestly there's no need to remove it and compare, the impact of the Troy is overwhelmingly apparent, it won't be disconnected. I know you plan to get one eventually and I assume that will be the latest Troy Signature which is an improvement of my MK II version. You'll be in entrenched in sonic heaven.The sound is still evolving and improving tonight.
Getting the Tripoint Troy has been one of the best audio purchases I've ever made.

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Brett,
"Royal Flush" is good.I`d suggest "Motor City Scene" this is Hard Bop from the early 1960s done very well.Donald Byrd,Pepper Adams,Kenny Burrell, Tommy Flanagan,Paul Chambers et al. Excellent playing and well recorded, I think you`ll like it.
Charles

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Sal and Brett,
Atmasphere is speculating like a lot of others(nothing wrong with that). There are various grounding products available with different approaches, for example the Ground Zero mentioned in an earlier post. Agear tried this produce(as did Tbg) and its effect was much less impressive according to both of them. A number of Troy owners have also used other grounding products and all reached the same conclusion, The Troy is a superior solution. This is why although electrical grounding is a stated objective, it seems more is involved. What does that "more" consist of?
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Hi Knghifi,
My system was silent and I had no hum,hiss, buzzing etc. at all, so I also questioned if the Troy would be a worthwhile purchase. There`s simply more to this device than many realize, the significant effect it has in my system is quite inspiring to say the least. It may affect electrical grounding at a level that is comprehensive and under appreciated in audio at this time.Could RFI/EMI alter what we hear more than we recognize?

The Tripoint Troy is easy to dismiss and be skeptical toward due to a lack of a full/clear explanation of how it`s made and what it does. The high price certainly makes people wary(I understand that). Based on my very short time with it I can sincerely say this is an exceptionally fine product that makes a 'significant impact' in a system that was already performing very well.What ever Miguel Alvarez has discovered, it sure is something special.When you consider what many audiophiles willingly spend on speaker,component and wire upgrades with varying levels of sucess, the Troy IMO becomes very cost effective for what it delivers.
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I got a message this evening from Fernando Cruze (Cruze First Audio) who sold me the used Tripoint Troy. He says the four silver grounding cables are new and require two-three weeks of break in before things sound their best. Well this is very good news given what's happen already in the first 48 hours of use.

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Hi Tom,
Funny you mentioned that option. I was thinking possibly of getting an Apprentice platform for the Troy, they've worked with everything else .

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Brett,
I agree with the Audio Exotic crowd, these guys can hear. My impressions were"early" the system's sound has clearly improved since yesterday's listening, it's steadily evolving and better than what I described before. This Tripoint Troy is mysterious (-I can't really explain how it works, it just does) and fascinating. All the things that my system does well (if I do say so myself) have further improved. Wow, does seriously managing EMI and RFI yield so much musical beauty and naturalness, how?

I apologize for sounding like a broken record but that natural word keeps reappearing, tone, overtones, harmonics, dynamics and vibrant color and a vividness that is just simply right are the forte of the Troy. Listening to Bobby Hutchinson's vibraphone, Pepper Adam's Baritone Sax or the piano of Kenny Barron, they all sound closer to the real thing. What makes this possible? It takes what a good SETamplifier introduces to your system and
goes further, pure organic rightness-flesh and blood realism. I wonder how much more will evolve before it settles down?
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Hey Bill that was funny!

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Bill,
Either grounding is more complex and influential than we realize or the Troy is also involved in areas besides "mere" grounding. Regarding the cost I understand, I was very fortunate to buy it used (still not cheap). To its credit I've yet to read of any dissatisfied owners, universally people are thrilled with it. I can concur that this is a very refined and musically sophisticated audio component. Listeners who are intimately familiar with the sound of live acoustic instruments are the ones who'll just love the Tripoint Troy in their systems. It's all natural without the hifi artificial preservatives.
Charles,

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Bill,
The Troy comes with four pure silver grounding cables. I connected my PWT transport, linestage and the two amplifier mono blocks via a chassis screw on each component. My cables have the "mini spade" on the componect end of the cable to fit these smaller chassis screws. The cable's other end has the larger
standard spade that goes to the Troy binding post.
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The Tripoint Troy MK II arrived yesterday. The shipping preparation was the best I've personally experienced, a very sturdy and heavy wood crate (no cardboard box this time) with high quality custom fit foam protection. The Troy is in a thick cloth sack, it's well packaged and protected. It's pretty heavy at about 50 lbs and has a truly fabulous appearance and fit and finish.
Early sonic impressions, this is a very good product, no jaw dropping, night and day improvement, there's a likely reason why. My system has no obvious grounding issue (components seem to have that sorted out already). I also use a balanced AC transformer conditioner that also addresses EMI and R FI.

There's been a systematic upgrade and fine tuning of the core components in the last year, Duelund capacitors, Star Sound stands for mechanical grounding (big sonic benefits), premium fuses and use of the stellar High Fidelity CT1 U digital cable. These steps made a very good system considerably better, thus some of what the Tripoint Troy offers has been addressed to a certain degree. I believe the Troy into my stock, non fine tuned system would have been more dramatic.

Despite these the Troy still made an impact! All of the fine attributes currently present just got moved to a higher level (this is a sincere compliment). Tonal colors, density and completeness are first rate, the harmonies and the timbre reproduced are truly superb. Dynamic gradients, inflection ebb and flow are simply realistic. The Tripoint Troy is the epitome of natural and correct IMO, the emotion of music flows free and deeply. What more could you want from an audio component? It's made an organic system even more so and has even improved the already high level of
resolution and transparency, that's a lot to do on an already elevated playing field.

I wish the Troy was half of the retail price so potentially many more could experience it, but I understand that it's very expensive to build and I accept that fact. This is the final fine tuning product for me and what a way to end. It extends my system further down the path I'd chosen, a natural pure sound that attempts to project the realistic sound and presence of live acoustic instruments played by living souls.

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Hi Sal,
Thanks for the recommended "2 Degrees East, 3 Degrees West" I received this CD yesterday and this is very well done! Sonically it's full bodied mono, natural and present, instruments are captured well and venue ambience is quite apparent. Best of all the music and the musicianship is exceptional.

This CD has 4 bonus tracks that were recorded in 1960 in stereo and are just wonderful(reach out and touch palpable quality). It is a quartet that features John Lewis and Jim Hall, what a delight! I wish these two had done more sessions together, they're a beautiful match. I will play this excellent CD often.
Charles,

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Sal,
Norm Luttbeg(Tbg on this site) reviewed the Tripoint Troy on Dagogo in July 2009 and in
that review he made reference to the Granite Audio Ground Zero the he'd reviewed earlier. He acknowledged that they're different approaches to grounding with different results.

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Hi Sal,
I believe that the Ocellia cables will work wonderfully in your system and I'll be interested in your impression when you have time. I haven't heard their power cords, just the IC and speaker cable. When I ordered my Coincident components I also got their power cords. They sound excellent and I didn't bother with others. A friend brought his Siltech cords to my home a few months ago and we compared them on the Frankenstein amplifiers.
They were actually very good but no better than the Coincident cords (which are much less expensive). Given my experience with the Ocellia cable loom I suspect that their power cord is excellent (but far more costly
than Coincident). So I've just left well enough alone . I'll tell you I have much admiration for the talents of both Israel Bloom (Coincident) and Samuel Furon (Ocellia), their products speak for themselves.
Charles,

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Agree! That's is my entire point.

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Spirit,
I wonder why the Entreq grounding had the largest impact on your SET amplifiers. I know there's a logical explanation, I sure hope to repeat your considerable sucess with addressing the issues of electrical grounding. You sound thrilled with the outcome so it was money wisely spent I likely would have purchased the Entreq Silver Tellus if not for finding the used Tripoint Troy for similar cost. Both apparently tackle the same issue effectively.
Charles,

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Spirit I'll receive 4 silver grounding cables with my Troy. I intend to use them on the transport (mandatory site per Fernando and Miguel) line stage and the mono blocks. The line stage is two chassis and I'll try to ground the signal chassis and then the power supply and see which one is better. The PS chassis has the capacitors, transformers and chokes so it would seem to be the logical location. I must admit that I'm very curious to hear what the highly recommended Troy does in my system that has me happy already.
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Hi Spirit,
That's exactly my objective, enhance and get the most from what I have. The problem with frequent component changes is no matter what you get there's always something that is supposedly better. Maybe it is, but for me I just stop at a certain point and enjoy what I have. High End audio can really get you caught up in the constant chase if you aren't careful. Each of us has our individual limit.

Spirit it's encouraging to know that your grounding box is yielding such noticeable improvement. I hope it works out successfully for me as well.
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Hi Agear,
I should get my used Troy in about a week. I'm having smaller spades placed on the grounding cables to fit the chassis screws on my components.
I suspect the Lampizator is wonderful but I love the Yamamoto DAC with Duelund CAST capacitors (pure and beautiful). The Tripoint Troy will finish my fine tuning phase . The Troy seems to definitely fit the natural-realism character I've worked to established.
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Thanks Brett, I was very lucky no doubt,the Tripoints are pretty rare on the used market.
Charles,

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Spirit,
My DAC and Coincident components have a handy fuse holder on the rear panel so replacing the stock fuse is simple and quick. Don`t ask me why/how(better current flow in the wire???) but the premium fuses definitely improved the sound(clarity,transparency and openess).They`re very cost effective.
Charles,

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Tjkurita,
Finding a used Tripoint Troy MK II was simply luck for me so I took advantage. If it's only half as good as its reputation it should still be a meaningful addition to my system. I don't doubt the significance of room treatments if done right. It might be plain dumb luck but the sound in my room is very good so I' ve not put any attention in that direction. I'm not suggesting that it couldn't be improved but the present room acoustics are not an issue.
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Hi Spirit,
To be honest I've never been on the merry go round with audio components. My current components have been stable for four years and the system prior this I had 12 years. I haven't any desire to change, that's why I decided to just get the best out of what I have. It worked out very well with the following,
Duelund CAST caps for the DAC and speakers.
Star Sound Sistrum/Apprentice platforms for all components and speakers.
Synergistic Research Quantum fuses .
High Fidelity CT1-U digital cable.
Ocellia Silver Reference IC and speaker cable loom.

I feel the Tripoint Troy will compliment what's been done so far.
Spirit I same as you have had balanced AC power for quite some time and I consider it mandatory. This balanced AC along with grounding via the Tripoint should be successful just as you've discovered. I'm glad Tripoint uses pure silver for their grounding cables. I just find silver to be superior in sound compared to copper, more natural with better tone, transparency and nuance retrieval.

I can appreciate your interest in the silver upgrades for your Audion SET amps, but the cost skyrockets when you get into silver transformers. That's a substantial premium they're asking.
Charles,

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The audio system fine tuning I`ve been doing the past year has been very worthwhile.The core components have responded well.I`m going to wrap up this process by adding the Tripoint Troy MK II that I was fortunate enough to fine used(these rare to find used).The Troy seems like 'the real deal product' and comments by owners of it are exceptionally enthusiastic.

The grounding principle role in reducing noise makes instrinsic sense to me and is apparently quite effective in actual use.I hope the Troy will be the icing on what has developed into a very nice cake. The biggest selling point for me is that universally it`s described as natural in its character and system influence. Natural is the highest compliment a audio component or system can be given in my opinion. I should have it in a week or so and I`m eager to see what it does compared to the other sucessful fine tuning steps I`ve taken.
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Sal,
Good point, the only drawback with the CTI cable is the 'very snug' fit.It`s especially difficult to pull out of the socket on the Yamamoto DAC. Fortunnately I don`t have to do that often. The Ocellia have a nice firm fit but are much easier to remove.

I`ll say this Sal, both of these cables are immersed in the natural sound camp as opposed to audiophile hifi camp(if you know what I mean).There`s certainly something to the magnetic aspect of the HF CTI series as they do seem to present a very low noise floor.

"Bobby Broom Plays Monk"
Doug Raney, "You Go To My Head"
Mark Whitfield "Finger Painting"
I think you`ll really like these.
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Sal,
I read your system page I realized you are into jazz guitar also. Have you listened to folks like Bobby Broom,Doug Raney,Jimmy Ponder,Mark Whitfield or Royce Campbell?These guys play some of the most beautiful chords,I love the way jazz guitarists play chords.
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Hi Sal,
I`ve not directly compared the two cables and have only heard the HF CTI-U as a digital cable, I find it fabulous in my system. I have no reason to doubt the analog IC and speaker cables would be any different.It is very natural,dynamic,lively and has excellent resolution in my system. I`m glad I bought the digital cable,worth every penny I spent.

Ocellia is a small specialty company in Montreal(moved from France a few years ago). I just love this cable, it is sooo natural and is able to present a very live like vibe/character to music in my system.It`s strange to describe but it has a sense of ease and relaxed musical flow yet the dynamics and physical presence factor is quite apparent. You hear the nuance and subtle details but it`s the polar opposite of an analytical-clinical presentation,no hifi here,all natural/organic.

Sal given the make up of your system I`d have to believe that either of these two cables would be a superb choice.I doubt you`ll find the Ocellia for loan,they have a small presence in this country(a shame).The HF CT1 cables could be the better cable(they take some time to fully burn in) but I`m happy with the Ocellia loom,the sound is beautiful.
Charles,

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Jeff,
I appreciate your comments very much.
That was a really fine show saturday night,Dwight Adams was simply in top form, wow! He just made the music sing with both his trumpet and fugelhorn.Slow ballads or fast hard blowing Bop it was all good. He had 3 very young (25 years or younger) musicians in his quartet and they could flat out play(Dwight teaches music at Wayne State University). Live jazz in a small club like Baker`s is a pure musical treat.

Any audio component that sacrifices the tone,density and body of these live instruments in the name of ultra detail is just wrong! There`s so much tonal color and vivid harmonics when you listen live,it can`t be ignored.IMO it`s a wrong direction to dilute that sound and make it leaner,thin and flatten and then call it accurate,a crying shame.These live jazz venues give you the straight truth direct from the stage.
Charles,

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Sal,
If that was the case then that explains our different 300b experiences. Assuming you own a well built/designed amplifier, fitting them with the high level tubes will result in substantial sound improvement . You pay more for the premium 300b tubes but what's the point of having a good amplifier with mediocre quality tubes. The stereotype of dark, slow, syrupy and overly warm doesn't happen with the good amplifiers fitted with the higher level tubes. Still there'll always be the various camps of choice, 300b, 2A3, 45, 845/211 etc. Any of these tubes used properly can lead to great sound quality in a well implemented amplifier.
Charles,

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Hi Sal,
When it comes to output tubes we all have our favorites.With 300b tubes I`ve found such a wide range of sound quality that there can be near night and day differences.The premium level 300b tubes are fantastic for my taste and use.When you factor in the driver tube choice there`s additional variability among them in terms of sound/performance.The great news is that there`s a output tube available to please any preference,a bit of searching is all that`s required.So far I`ve found no limitations with any music genre with my current amp. I also love high energy big band jazz as you mentioned.Sal that 46 tube must sound really nice,I`ve never heard it.
Charles,

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Hi Onemug,
From my understanding DHT tubes lower their distortion as the power use(range) decreases.Some other amplifier types ironically will 'increase' distortion level at very low power levels. Your math is right,at the SPLs we normally listen to the power is well under one watt with high efficiency speakers,often fractions of a watt as you pointed out(when the SPL is 75 db and less). Even at 80-85 db I`m using 1/2-1 watt of power and that`s not a soft quiet level either. So in this range distortion is miniscule and this is why the sound is so pure and natural to us.Onemug I always appreciate your comments.
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Onemug and Sal, one more suggestion is Roger Kellaway "Live At The Jazz Standard" also features Russell Malone and Stephon Harris. This is very good!
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Hi Sal,
We do have quite similar taste in jazz music. I have the live Half Note with Art Farmer and Jim Hall and will definitely look for your other recommendations. You just can't have too much jazz, the more I aquire and listen to the more I want. Just as you said live jazz recordings are wonderful to play, they put me tight in that familiar venue . Sal that's really how I settled down with SET amps, they remind me more of the true sound and feel of live musicians than any other type of amp I've heard. Is that what got you into SET amplifiers?
Charles,

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Hi Onemug,
Funny you mentioned live club, two friends and I are going to see a fine local trumpeter and his quartet tonight at the legendary Baker's Keyboard Lounge in Detroit. I don't attempt to mimic the same volume of the clubs at home usually (just occasionally). I listen most often in the 75-85 db SPL range which is plenty for me. Sometimes I'll take it to 95-100 db level and it's still very good and relaxed without any sense of strain. But I want to keep my hearing good for as long as I can. Interestingly as my system has evolved I can listen at much lower levels (60db range) and it is still engaging and musically involving .
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Hi Onemug,
Reading various forums and blogs it seems that people familiar with the EML 300b like all 3 versions quite a bit. Most wrote that the XLS and mesh were the top choices although they sound different from each other. No one said the standard 300b was bad at all, just the other two were preferred based on comparison. I suspect I'd like the standard version as well.

The XLS is a drop in replacement and its sounding very fine in the Frankenstein, it has a big and bold presentation yet retains a certain elegance and natural flow. Now that my amplifier's autobias is back to its original settings I could use the mesh plate again. Both are excellent choices for my amplifier. Onemug I think you'd like the three CDs mentioned earlier.
Charles,

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Sal,
I`ll return the favor and suggest three recordings I believe you`d enjoy.
1. Gerry Mulligan "Night Lights" features Art Farmer and Jim Hall.
2.Carmen McRae "The Great American Song Book" live jazz club venue with her and a quartet. Features the marvelous Joe Pass.
3.Billy Eckstine "Imagination" late 1950s with Billy in peak form.
Charles,

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Salectric,
I found the CD copy of "2 Degrees East 3 Degrees West" and ordered from Amazon. I`m can`t wait to hear this music, what a special line up of musicians,thanks.
Charles,

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Sal,
I haven't any doubts that your 3 unique amplifiers are providing you with absolutely blissful music reproduction.
Charles,

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Hi Salectric,
Thank you for your kind comments, I really appreciate them. I will look for the recording you recommend as our musical taste are very similar.
Sal I was a devoted user of vinyl LPs for many years (that's what I grew up with). Well into the digital era I remained a diehard analog enthusiast as I didn't find digital realistic or involving.
The first digital component that changed my perception was the Timbre DAC it was a honest and natural music producer and I could go between it and my turn table without the previous let downs when doing so.

When I got the Yamamoto DAC it was aclear improvement of my beloved Timbre (which I used for 14vyears happily). What ever Mr. Yamamoto learned in building his renowned SET amplifiers over his career he sure put it into his DAC. I admire his execution, this DAC simply makes music, beautiful and naturally. It provides the emotion and soul that good analog is capable of doing (not every analog system is sucessful at this either). As much as I enjoyed my TT I don't miss its absence these past 3 1/2 years.
When I replaced the stock output capacitors (which were very good) with Duelund CAST it took the performance to the sublime and is the ideal source for the Coincident DHT based linestage and 300b SET amplifier.
The Yamamoto just lets the music flow with beautiful organic tone, harmonics,wonderful dynamics and much nuance.
I still appreciate a good analog source but have found that for me it no longer a necessity.
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Agear,
What you say about the Star Sound Apprentice is true,it is their lower cost line. Their Stage and Backstage platforms are the heavy hitter premium products and are priced as such.I imagine they`re extraordinary but will leave that for someone else to discover and comment on.I`m just happy the Apprentice adds so much to my musical enjoyment while costing relatively modest money.This formula works for me.
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Hi Agear,
That`s funny and Isochronism is essentially right. Between the findings of certain trusted reviewers(a few I really like), definitely feedback and impressions from people on this valued site along with some patience it`s amazing how well things work out. Agear, it was you and Grannyring(Bill) who got my attention toward Duelund,Star Sound and the SR Quantum fuses,thanks a lot.You can`t go wrong with that caliber of product.

Coincident was an easy choice after research and overwhelming word of mouth owner support.Once their components were heard, it was all over(there is terrfic synergy with that entire line).Yamamoto DAC,P.S. Audio PWT, and Ocellia Silver Reference cables by way of 6 Moons reviewes. It has worked out better than I had expected(and expectations were high)).

The common thread with all of the system pieces is an emphasis-priority on musicality,natural/organic character, tactile presence and tone realism. The currently popular ultra detail analytical hifi sound just doesn`t work for me at all, I need emotion and involement from my system. I`m extremely happy with the results.
Charles,

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Given the considerable price gap between the Apprentice and the Stillpoints(particularly the Ultra) I suspect two different buyer groups.However with the known effectiveness of the Apprentice it`d be interesting purely on a performance/result basis.
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Agear,
I thank you for the insightful impressions you gave me last week.I`ll look into the threaded support option also. Robert did mention that the sound improves noticeably with a few days of settling in(I`m happy with them now).
In the last year Star Sound,Duelund CAST,High Fidelity CTI-U Digital cable and even the Synergistic Research Quantum fuses(yep,they made a difference) all have been very significant upgrades in my system without any change/swapping of my core components. Its been a very good year as a result of this fine tuning.
Charles,

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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your comments and again for the needed help earlier today, much appreciated.

Roxy54,
You`re no boken record,when a product delivers on its promise that`s worthy of praise and recognition.

Thanks Tom,
Your description of the Apprentice impact and results is right on the mark.That`s exactly what we heard today.
Charles,

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I was able to place the speakers on the Apprentice stands with help from my good friend Jwm (jeff), it's a two man job for certain. Once placed the tall speakers are fairly stable but not to the degree of the Coincident outrigger cones. My room is in a finished basement there re no pets and my kids are grown and out of our home. So I'm reasonably comfortable with the set up on the platforms.

In terms of their effect on the sound, they're a homerun! Talk about immediate and blatantly obvious improvement, wow, they improved the system's music reproduction dramatically. Resolution, openness, transparency, dynamic contrast it's all better.there is a more spacious and venue atmosphere awareness, tone and harmonics get even better.
Jeff and I were both surprised, not that there's improvement but the unexpected magnitude and its undeniable presence.

As others had predicted, the increased performance is greatest with the speakers. This is a near mandatory asset for an audio system. Big sonic gain for relatively modest cost.
Thanks Robert.
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Roxy54,
When you effectively address the vibration generated in a system the improved sound quality is undeniable. I've been very pleased with the musicality and sound of my digital source for quite some time. I achieved the natural/organic character that was desired, there's much emotion and involvement. The tonality, harmonics and timbre remain organic but with increased resolution, ambience and the nuances/subtle aspects of the music. I'm glad I bought these platforms. If they don't work with the speakers I may ask Robert to make something custom that screws in and provides a wider footprint. I want this vibration/resonance solution for the speakers very much.
Charles,

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Hi Roxy54,
I'm a firm believer in the"Live Vibe" mechanical grounding concept, the proof is heard in my system, the music presentation improved . I don't question the potentially greater effect with the speakers, it's a matter of stability on the Apprentice platforms with narrow footprint speakers that are 52 inches tall and heavy.
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Hi Roxy54,
Thanks for the very kind comment on my system. I have the Sistrum 101 beneath the Frankenstein SET amplifiers and love the results. Grannyring (bill) is correct, they won't support the tall and narrow Coincident speaker in a stable manner. Robert of Star Sound is aware of that and suggested the Apprentice platforms as a more secure option. If this works and is stable, then good. If not I'll return them, but keep the remaining Apprentices for my components (these are really working out well there).

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Brf,
Will get the speakers on the platforms soon. What's your long term verdict on the Duelund CAST capacitor in your Total Eclipse speakers?
Charles,

Agear,
Given the sucess with my components I'm eager to hear their effect with the speakers. The Apprentice platforms are surprising heavy and very solid, they have a understated elegance and form follows function aura to them. It's very apparent the folks at Star Sound know what they're doing. I'm
listening to Freddie Hubbard right now and the natural brass tone of his trumpet and true

beauty of his playing is so well preserved.

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I put the new Star Sound Apprentice plateforms in my system yesterday.They`re beneath my line stage,transport and DAC. they replaced the brass audio points which were an asset in my system. They basically improve all that the points offered,resolution,clarity,articulation and transparency.

What I find unique is these parameters are improved without affecting the natural tone and character. Nothing becomes harder,edgier or harsh as a penalty for better resolution.The tonality of instruments and voice is actually improved(fullness and saturation).You just hear more nuance and information.They are quite an addition to my system,the dynamics and music just flow effortlessly.It is a definite step closer in the direction of natural and realism as opposed to hifi/analytical.

I`ll also place them under my speakers in a few days when I get some help(the speakers weigh 170 lbs and are 22 inches deep).
The concept of mechanical grounding and managing vibration/resonance is very effective and absolutely benetficial.
Charles,

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Hi Hcalland,
I appreciate your comments very much, thank you. This room has been my jazz paradise for a number of years now. Last night I enjoyed an intimate session of listening to Sonny Stitt, Roy Hargrove and Charlie Rouse.
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Hi Tjkurita,
Thanks for that information, I don't blame you for getting a 2nd pair of these very special tubes. If I come across a better price I'll certainly let you know.
Charles,

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Brownsfan,
Yep, I understand, if your listening revolves around the music rather than contemplating the next component upgrade, you're in a good position. You'll be happy with or without the new ModWright Oppo player.
Charles,

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Browndfan,
If you eventually decide to do the ModWright Oppo 105 you'll be very pleased with what you hesr. My good friend has one and I've heard it many times and it just reproduces music beautifully and allows the emotional involvement to work its magic. He has a very high quality Basis TT analog system, the ModWright isn't embarrassed by it "at all".
Charles,

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Hi Brownsfan,
Contentment is the correct term. It gets to a point where you become very happy and really enjoy listening to your system reproduce the music you love. I've been in this state since I got my CSL and Frankenstein amp 4 years ago. Everything since then has been simply fortifying and fine tuning this core. Duelund CAST capacitors in my speakers and DAC just added to what was already there, same with the High Fidelity CT1-U digital cable, further enhancements. Overall the sound became more organic and realistic but the essential character unchanged.
When the core components are basically pure, natural and transparent the fine tuning pays off substantially. So I'm looking forward to the arrival of the Star Sound plateforms. There's no desire to change the current components.
Charles,

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Ive been very pleased with Star Sound products in my system. Their Sistrum 101 stand and brass audio points have performed as promised and made my music listening more enjoyable with an increase in the sense of realism quality. They now have a new platform called the Apprentice, robert of Star Sound says they are neary as good as the Sistrum 101 but are priced much less.

Robert has been very open, honest and accurate with everything thus far concerning his products (maybe even a bit understated) so I definitely trust him. He said the Apprentice is a significant step above the audio points. Given my utter satisfaction with the points I'm going to try the new platforms . If not impressed I can return them, fair enough for me. I'll place them under my speakers and all four components and just listen.

My components and speakers aren't going anywhere (4 ye a rs and
counting) so it's fun fine tuning what I have. I believe that the Apprentice platforms will extract more from my system than the already very good audio points do currently.
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I'm listening to Shirley Scott (Hammond organ) and Oliver Nelson (tenor saxophone) the CD is "Blue Seven" shirley's solo on the tune "wagon wheels" is pure jazz organ, wow! The EML XLS 300b is a superb tube, it lets the music breath and allows the emotion of music to really get
you involved. 300b amp owners need to hear this tube. This tube is exceptionally dynamic, lots of lively energy but retains good fluidity and flow.
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Hi Spirit,
Your take on Miguel is very similar to mine. I think he touts his products rather smugly and his prices "seem" a bit much. However I do agree with his emphasis on proper electrical grounding and his principles in general. Without question his Tripoint components are highly praised and respected by those who have heard them. I respect others who have chosen to buy them, but they're too costly for me to consider. I use balanced AC power and can strongly attest to its obvious benefits, my system sounds noticeably better with it in use. So he and I would part company on that issue.

I will find your thread and read it, there's always something new to learn and you are quite happy with this grounding product (I've seen you mention them before). I use the Star Sound Technology products for mechanical grounding and boy they do make a difference!
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Sorry, meant Randy Napoleon, a very talented young guitarist out of NYC. by way of the University of Michigan School of Music.He can play!

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Brett,
Thanks for your kind comments.
I`m not familiar with Johnny A but will followyp on the recommendation.
Enjoy that outdoor jazz next week.
The Detroit jazz festival is in a few weeks. Two years ago I saw/heard Terrence Blanchard,Kenny Barron,Mulgrew Miller and Randy Napolian among others. It`s always a top notch 4 days of jazz.They managed to get very good sound quality that matches the level of talent there.
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Hi Jeff,
You have a fabulous system that moved to a higher level when you added the superb Absolare Passion 845 PSET amp and their linestage. I can`t take any credit for that,you`re simply responding to the improvements these better components provide.

SET amplification pushes all the right buttons for me compared to other topologies so far in my listening experience.It`s just a matter of how we hear music. Some people feel as strongjy about class D amps as we do SET.
I`m really happy that you`re experiencing such joy listening to music with your current system, that`s the goal.
Charles,

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The performance of a 300b can vary to some extent depending on the amplifier it's used in so impressions aren't absolute by any measure.
The EML XLS is just plain good! It's quite similar to the excellent AVVT 32SL but they're not identical. At lease in the Frankenstein the EML is subtly warmer and a bit more fluid but both are very strong, dynamic and present life and energy . They both avoid any mechanical or stiff characteristics, they re instruments of music rather than hifi.

The advantage of EML is it's in current production and while it isn't cheap the cost is very reasonable given the stellar sound quality, this tube makes music. For those who find the Takatsuki too expensive the EML XLS is a 300b I recommend with very high regard. I don't see how someone wouldn't really enjoy this tube.

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Thanks Booboobaer,
It is a lot of fun and provides enormous satisfaction listening to music.I`m certain your wonderful system gives you endless joy.
Charles,

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Finally mustered the discipline to remove my Takatsuki tubes and place my EML XLS in the Frankenstein. They have been sitting on the shelf and ignored. I want to get some time on them and listen. Early impression, they sound good! Very lively, dynamic and nice tonality and presence. I'm going to leave them in for a period of time and burn in. I like these tubes, they have a fullness and weight that sounds right. The Frankenstein seems to really distinguish the character of the various 300bs Ive used. And boy do they all sound different and unique.
Charles,

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Brett,
Have you ever thought about learning to play it? I played trumpet as a youth and wish I had continued.
Charles,

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Hi Brett,
What a thoughtful thing for her to do, I know you sincerely appreciate it. How does that horn sound? I have a cornet and also a Bach trumpet and keep them for sentimental reasons.The Bach has a gorgeous tone, I should resume practicing.
Charles,

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Sorry,
Dexter Gordon, " Doin' Allright".

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For anyone who enjoys Thelonious Monk as much as I do I strongly recommend "Live At The It Club". Simply beautiful Monk doing his thing like no other.What humongous talent!
Charles,

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Listening to tenor saxophone players tonight and it fascinating how they use the same instrument and get such a different sound and feel, so beautiful.
Charlie Rouse, "Unsung Hero"
Oliver Nelson, "Nocturne"
Wayne Shorter, "Speak no Evil"
Dexter Gorfon, "Doin' llright"
These folks can flat out play!
Charles,

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Hi Brett,
I'll check it out, thanks.
Charles,

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Onemug,
Thanks, I'll give Mr. Loeb a listen.
Charles,

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Brett,
I haven't personally heard the Audion 845 SET amp. If 213 Cobra (Phil) and Germanboxers (Jordan) say it's an excellent amp I trust their opinions. Jordan has that amp and also the Coincident Frankenstein and says both are top tier.
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Hi Brett,
I'm glad you enjoyed the Frank Morgan CD.
Brett, if you like jazz guitar I recommend Doug Raney "You go to my Head".
He can really play and his chords are just beautiful! I'd bet it sounds wonderful over your system.
Charles,

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Spirit,
I'm glad my modest input was helpful to you. It's impossible to predict what someone else may like and what the outcome may be. SET amplification done correctly is the ultimate in my opinion for obtaining pure natural sound and superior realism in your audio system.

I'm sincerely thrilled you took the chance with the Audion Black Shadow and it met your expectations and more importantly increased the enjoyment of listening to music. No doubt that you'll be very happy for a long time. I know I've posted often about SET amplifiers but discovering them exposed me to an entirely new and better musical presentation than anything that came before. Spirit, congratulations on your superb Audion SET amplifier.
Charles,

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Spirit,
I don`t believe your Hovland will be embarrassed either,it is just a matter of which sonic perspective you will connect with more deeply and provide the most emotional involvement.There`re far more owners of solid state amplifiers than SET without any question.For me the transition to SET was rapid and permanent once I was exposed to a good SET amplifier. The qualities I cherish most,naturalness, tone,timbre,overtones/harmonics,nuance, inner detail etc.The SET was on a higher plane and the realism factor more apparent.Relatively speaking many non SET amps sound canned and hifi to me now. There`s no going back in my case.We all have our unique preferences.Who knows which direction you`ll choose?
Charles,

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Spirit,
I suspect this upcoming SET amplifier evalution is going to be quite a bit of fun and discovery for you.Your Hovland amplifier has served you well and made you happy for a while now. Each of these three amps are unique, it will be interesting to read your impressions and your final choice.I went from a 100 watt push pull amp to SET, the differences from SS amp to SET is likely a larger gulf to cross.You certainly have the system to sort it all out.
Charles,

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Isochronism (Brett),
I received a "Blue Bacharach" CD today via UPS. If you sent it, thank you very much! Jwm and I listened to it tonight and enjoyed the music (I really like the Grant Green and Stan Turrentine tracks).

I'll strongly recommend Frank Morgan's "Listen to the Dawn" it features Kenny Burrell. I think you'll like it.
Charles,

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I listened to these CDs last night and would recommend them to fellow jazz lovers.
1. Sarah Vaughan "How long has this been going on" features Oscar Peterson and Joe Pass.
2.Kenny Burrell "A Night at the Vanguard"
3.Duke Ellington "Volume six Dance Dates California 1958" beautiful sound and music from this legendary band, live recording.
4."Chet Baker in Paris" he's in top form 1955-1956.
5.Carmen McCrae "Velvet Soul" she's my girl, what can I say.

Two others I really like,
"Bobby Broom plays for Monk"
Doug Raney "You go to my Head"
Both of them are excellent but under appreciated jazz guitarist.
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Brent,
Thanks for the recommendation, I think you'll really like the Carmen CD .
Charles,

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Hi Spirit,
I`d agree that with the capacitor upgrade and final amplifier selection you`re pretty much done! You can just forget about components and simply explore and enjoy your music.

As far as comparing amplifiers there`s no single correct method and your plan is a good one. I`d probably would choose to compare the SET amps back to back one week each.Going from one directly to the other would really reveal their differences.Following this stage then you go back to your reference amp and decide.I think you`re in store for a lot of fun and interesting listening.
Charles,

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Hi Gary,
You`re welcome and I`m glad you like it.Carmen is one of my very favorite jazz artist-musicians,her emotion and talent really gets to me. Thanks for your XRCD suggestion.
Charles,

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Brf,
Beautiful! Congratulations, what a nice looking boat.
Charles,

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Isochronism,
My thoughts exacty! LOL.
Charles,

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Brf,
The Duelund CAST does deliver!
Their effect on my speakers and DAC are very considerable.
Charles,

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Brf,
How are your Total Eclipse currently sounding/evolving as you acquire more hours of burn-in on the Duelund CAST caps?
Charles,

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Hi Jeff,
If was fun having you over,those 3 1/2 hours zoomed by didn`t they? thanks for bringing that Carmen McCray "As time goes by" that`s one of the best sounding recordings I`ve ever heard,digital or vinyl.This is a live recording of Carmen and the sense of palpable presence and naturalness was stunning,totally engaging,we were in the club with her. There`s something definitely right with the JVC K2 method.

You heard what I was attempting to explain in an earlier post when comparing these two 300b tubes.Both are excellent at reproducing music yet they clearly have distinct and alternative presentations. It`s a genuine pleasure to have both of these fantastic tubes to choose from.

I`m ordering the Carmen McCray K2 CD today!

Charles,

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Onemug,
Thanks for the rectifier tube update, my Frankensteins use that same tube but that's a pretty steep price. I'm not familiar with Chuck Loeb.
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Spirit,
I believe you`re going to be very pleased with the Duelund capacitor upgrade.I look forward to your impression of the NAT GM 70 SET amplifier.It has the reputation of a stellar high power SET.
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Hi Brf,
That was in my opinion a very accurate and concise description of what the Duelund CAST capacitor renders.The Total Eclipse is an open ,resolved and transparent speaker to begin with.The Duelund makes them more so and retains the excellent musicality.I`m glad you took the chance and tried them.
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Max,
Thanks for the very kind comment on my system.
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charles1dad

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Thanks Max,
I do feel these two tubes are of the highest caliber and I can easily go from one to the other with no lose of enjoyment. I wish Alesa Vaic could have found a way to continue his phenomenal tube production, what a loss.
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I`ve had the good fortune to listen to two top level 300 b tubes in my system,the AVVT 32 SL and the Takatsuki-TA(tak). Both are very sucessful achievements technically and in reproducing music. if I were grading them with a report card the AVVT receives an A.

The AVVT is stellar in transparency,openess,timimg/pace,dynamics and certainly resolution.It does so much at such a high level of competence,the inner detail and nuances are unveiled and spring to life. A genuine shame this tube is not currently produced.It has been a pleasure to listen to this tube the past 2 months.

Takatsuki earns an A+, all I`ve said about the fine AVVT is true of the Tak but with an added component,increased soul and humanity. The AVVT has these attributes and certainly conveys emotion and allows connection to the music(better than most tubes I`ve heard).The Takatsuki elevates to the next level above.It has the ability to present the pure beauty,heart and visceral aspects of music reproduction that is unmatched in my personal experience.

The Takatsuki just totally pulls you in and keeps you there.The superb tone,color saturation and vibrant sounds are fully presented.If you want/need flesh and blood, living breathing performers in real venue space, this is the tube for you. Natural,fluid and complete with an organic-realistic bloom that I always hear with live acoustic music(un -amplified).The AVVT is a single step behind and 2nd only to this Japanese marvel.I`m lucky to have both.
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Isochronism,
Thanks fot your comments. For some reason I thought you were located in Ohio.

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Isochronism,
Jeff is right, I have a Fanfare tuner that I once listened to quite often in my previous home.I really do need a rooftop antenna but just never got around to getting it done. There are actually several very good stations in our area (southeastern Michigan). I'm very occupied with my large and ever growing jazz CD library.
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Onemug,
Thanks fo the update.I wasn`t aware the EML rectifier is a mesh plate tube.

Brf,
I waited a very long time for the Duelund crossover capacitors. Their coupling capacitors for my DAC I got within a week from the Parts Conextion(they were in stock).I`m interested in your impression of them when you have the time.
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Brf,
Did you ever get the chance to install the Duelund CAST capacitors in your Total Eclipse?

Onemug,
Any further impressions with your EML 5u4 rectifier tubes? Do they justify the premium cost?
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Spirit,
It would seem the Hovland tube preamp should be fine unless there's some odd impedance mismatch. As far as the power amplifiers are concerned, is it possible to arrange a home audition? For perspective GSM18439 (Gary) drives the same speakers with his 8-9 watt 300b in a large and open space quite happily. Phil has certainly been very satisfied with his Audion Black Shadows for a long time. So it appears 60-70 atts isn't required, on the other hand they won't hurt anything either. Does the extra cost of these amplifiers represent a meaningful value or improvement compared to the 30 watt 211 tubed NAT or the Audion? An audition would settle this easily.
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Hi Spirit,
I think you'll be just fine if you rely on your ears (which you seem to do).Listening to the NAT SET amplifier caused you to realize certain characteristics of your current amps . It's hard to match the purity and natural sound of SET with non-SET type amplifiers You're merely reacting to what you heard and that's good. All you need is an opportunity to hear the Audion and NAT amps within your system and simply trust your ears . I'll assume that is how you chose the Zu DEF IV and your other components. You certainly have the speakers that allow the advantages of SET to be exploited to maximum effect. You're in a very good position to put
the final touch into your well developed system, just listen. Either of the two amps under consideration will provide more than enough power for your DEF IV.Germanboxers is getting really excellent results with the 8 watt Frankenstein MK II, so you should have no power issues with your higher power contenders.
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Andrew,
I haven`t ordered them(didn`t know they were available yet).Given my satisfaction with Star Sound productucts,the stands will be seriously considered. What is their cost?

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Palasr,
Thanks for your input.One thing I can say for sure, the TE aren`t anemic sounding in my home.They are very dynamic,lively and big in scale and overall presentation.The new Star Sound speaker stand could be an improved option(they could very possibably be better).I prefer a wide base for these tall speakers.
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Chayro,
I do like the larger footprint and stability of the Coincident outrigger feet.

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Hi Gary,
The two Takatsuki versions sound identical to me (superb) the only difference is cosmetically with the new black and yellow base.Amtrans really came through with their warranty coverage for these expensive tubes.
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Dan,
The frequent goosebumps moments you alude to is what got me hooked on 300b SET amplifiers. The beauty of the circuit ot these amps is their simplicity, that's why you really hear the true character of your output tube, it's all out in the open to hear.If you like your SET with the JJtubes, you're off to a good start.
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I got my new pair of Takatsuki-TA300bs and have to say they are the best sounding tube in my amplifier. The AVVT is close and in some aspects equals the Japanese 300b. The essential differences are that the Takatsuki reveals more humanity and soul or the heart of the music.The AVVT doesn't lack these qualities they're just less when directly compared. Dynamics, transparency, clarity etc. They are oh so close. TheAVVT has a strong authoritative presentation with exceptional control and extension. It does have an organic feel. Relative to the Takatsuki it is less so(but not absent), perhaps a tad stiffer (but only in direct comparison).There's more fluidity, ease, ebb and flow and at least for me, more emotion is felt with the Japanese tube.

AVVT is a true top tier tube and no doubt, what differences I note could vary with the amplifier used and certainty other ears. It's close in performance for much less money.The Takstsuki just connects with me more deeply then any other tube I've ever heard.I wish they were more affordable so more 300b amp owners could take advantage.
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Hi Brf,
I received the EMLs 2 days ago but haven`t tried them yet.I would guess they`re similar although not identical to the AVVT given a partial shared lineage.I`ll find it hard to remove the AVVTs out of the amplifier.They sound so good.
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Breaking in the AVVT SL 32b tubes has been very enjoyable, this is a music lover's tube, such a natural sound, just devoid of hifi artificiality. Looking forward to the new Takatsuki and comparisons, theTakatsuki has been the best in my system so far.But this AVVT will be a worthy competitor without question. Last night I listened to
1) "Soul Brothers/Soul Meeting" this is Ray Charles and Milt Jackson, very bluesy jazz.
2)" Doin' Alright" Dexter Gordon and also Freddie Hubbard. Straight ahead Bop and Ballads.
3)"You Go to My Head" Doug Raney guitar.An under appreciated but beautiful player.

4)"The Hawk relaxes" Coleman Hawkins and also Kenny Burrell.

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The AVVT 32B SL has a life expectancy of 40,000 hours according to Jac Van de Walle of JAC Music. This is a fabulous sounding tube. One of my Takatsukis developed a leak.Takatsui decided to send me a new pair under warranty replacement.I look forward to comparing these excellent examples of 300b tubes.

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I have put the AVVT 32b tubes in my amp today.The last batch was made in 2001 by the extraordinaryly talented Alesa Vaic. well, this is just a splendid 300b tube, it`s obvious straight out of the box.This was also true of the Takatsuki-TA and the EML mesh plate. These tubes have one purpose and that is to bring beautiful,involving and natural music into your home.Unfortunately I can`t use the EML mesh any longer but what a special tube it is.The AVVT is just as special but with its own presentation.

My reference is the Takatsuki and it`s too early for any comparisons.I can say this much,The AVVT won`t be embarressed by it or any other tube.One thing is patently clear, Alesa Vaic knew what he was doing.I`m going to put 100 hours on this tube and then contrast the differences with the Takatsuki.
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Hi Brett,
A high percentage of 300b SET are auto bias and tube rectified, it must be for a good reason.many knowledgeable people recommend the EML tubes for both 45 and 2A3 amplifiers, solid plate and mesh plate versions. Brett I know you're enjoying wonderful sounding music with your system.

I received my High Fidelity Cable -CT1 Ultimate digital today.I can't say I throughly understand the magnetic conduction cocept of this cable but the sound of it is remarkable. As natural and real as can be. They really reproduce the true reasonance and nuances of instruments convincingly. Hope to get my AVVT and EML tubes next week.
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Brf,
I don`t know what the bias is set at.I have a local tech who`s very competent and communicates directly with Israel.He trusts and is satisfied with this technician`s level of skill/experience.
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Onemug,
Gon member Germanboxers recently got a Frankenstein MK II and is using the EML mesh without any problems just as I was able to do pre revision.

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Onemug,
The mesh tubes sounded beautiful initially. Then the auto bias circuit was revised to lower the stress on the output 300b even more (was already easy on them).Since the revision the volume of the mesh tube is very diminished (cut in half it seems).I definitely believe there's less overall stress now, the transformers are hardly even tepid to the touch after being on 5 hours (they use to get mildly warm at most before, never hot).Just one of those things I guess. The sound has improved subtly with the solid plate tubes.

If you want to use the mesh tube then I'd skip the revision. I supect the revision will extend the tube life as promised . I'll be fine with the three tubes mentioned in the earlier post. Onemug I feel you'd really enjoy the Frankenstein in either version. I hope you'll be able to try them out.
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Brf,,
You're right about my tube vendor and I made it clear to him how appreciative I am.

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Brf,
All of my previous tube amplifiers were manual bias.Israel prefers the auto bias approach. His amplifier is one of the best sounding I've ever heard (certainly beats all of my former amps) so I'm perfectly fine with that .

I'm really excited about the AVVT 32b purchase given their exalted reputation for built, sound quality and exceptional longevity.How will it differ from the somewhat similar designed EML XLS? How will they sound compared to the Takatsuki which is a very different design?
With the addition of the soon to arrive High Fidelity Cable-CT1 Ultimate digital cable there'll be much to discover and enjoy.
Regards,

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I had the auto bias circuit of my Frankenstein updated/revised and is said to be easier yet on the output 300b.Since this revision the previously excellent sounding EML mesh is now markedly diminished in volume(counter intuitive).The output is definitely less.Ironically the solid plate tubes are not affected and may even sound better,very clear,open with very good dynamics and organic character.

My tube vendor is understanding(says this can happen to the mesh tube with changes to an amplifier).I will return the mesh and get the EML XLS in its place.
I was very lucky this weekend and was able to purchased a pair of the "rare" AVVT SL(super linear) 32b 300b tubes.With these,the EML XLS and Takatsuki-TA I feel I`ve acquired a collection of premium 300b tubes to enjoy for a long time.
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Thanks Brf, I do appreciate your reply.

charles1dad

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Brf,
How long have you owned your AVVT 300b(is this also called the 32b?). Are they reliable and what do they sound like?
There`s a pair for sale on this site.I`m 'considering' a stash of various upper tier 300b tubes to have as a collection.How is it compared to the EML presentation?
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Brf,
I haven't heard the EML XLS but the dynamics, pace and vibrancy of the mesh is quite good at this eary stage.I bought these out of sheer curiosity to hear a genuine mesh plate.I have to say this tube is unexpectedly better than I imagined. Very similar to the Takatsuki but far more affordable. You are right, inner detail, nuances and the subtleties are superb. For those who can't or won't spend 2000.00 for the current Takatsuki tubes I'd strongly recommend the EML mesh as an alternative. Roughly 1/3 the cost yet very close in sound quality. The only restriction is amplifiers must be 28 watt dissipation or less.The Takatsuki doesn't have this limitation. Both of these
tubes enable my SET amplifier to present gorgeous natural sound.
Regards,

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Onemug,
Very early impressions of the EML 300b mesh plate, why didn't you tell me how excellent and natural the tone is? This tube is remarkably transparent, clear, organic and holistic and definitely made by someone who truly loves music.This sound is the antithesis of hifi.I would say it's cut from the same cloth as the fabulous Takaksuki, they certainly share the same fabric of orgin.This is off to a surprisingly good start.I'll
wait a while and gain more hours of listening and comment more at a later time. Depending on the amplifier one tube may be a good or not so good fit.This mesh 300b sounds utterly fine in my Frankenstein amplifiers.
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Thanks Plosive, I really appreciate your kind comments.

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Onemug,
The tubes did'nt come today, maybe tomorrow. For the cost of the EML rectifiers they'd have to much better than my Sylvania 5u4g tubes for me to consider buying the premium cost EML.If they're only slightly better then there's no point.
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Onemug,
I called george and he confirms the initial limited burn-in time for the first two sessions. Funny you mention the mesh rectifier as I wonder how much it differs from conventional rectifiers. Let me know what you hear.My amp uses the same rectifier tube.
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Onemug,
Thanks for that,George did`nt mention that during the order placement and phone conversation.I would have put them in my amp and then let it play all day otherwise.
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Agear,
I doubt it, This is an impressive product without question but also expensive.My current Ocellia loom is superb with my system`s components(you can love what you have yet admire other great products). The combination of the HFC and the Ocellia is really impressive!

If I were starting from scratch it`d be interesting,I could say the Ocellia Silver Reference is perhaps 90-95% of the HFC enhanced for 1/2 the cost.So for me combining them strategically is cost effective and provides excellent sound.The HFC replaced a ASI Liveline cable(digital position), the liveline is 'really good' but the Ocellia is better.I was going to replace the Liveline digital with the Ocellia or the Sablon cable but all the comments about HFC got me curious.I would imagine an entire HFC -CT1 enhance loom would be fantastic.
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Good question Onemug, I believe anytime an effort is made to address resonance,vibration,ringing etc. the result is better sound. Regarding the RP and the Takasuki I don`t know what accounts for the differences brtween them.Its possible a less resonant plate could be a vital factor.Improved resolution,transparency and clarity occur with less vibration present.

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Onemug,
What is unique concerning the mesh plate`s sound compared to what you hear with your solid plate 300bs?I should get my EML mesh tubes monday and am very curious to hear them.A true woven metal plate has less inherent resonance than a solid plate based on recent reading.Given the obvious benefit of less resonance in the Duelund CAST cap design and the effect ot the Star Sound products,I`m encouraged.How will this principle manifest in an output tube`s sounics?
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the music recommendations, that particular Holy Cole I'm familiar will but check out the other. Gary I'm curious to hear a genuine woven mesh plate as opposed to the punched plate Chinese version (fake). The Takatsuki is my ultra standard reference point. I hear many good things about EML, especially the mesh, no one else makes this type of tube anymore.
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Onemug,
I'm curious to try the EML mesh and the XLS version 300b.How are your mesh plates coming along and have you heard the XLS ? I get the feeling the mesh "may" be more organic and fluid and perhaps the XLS more dynamic, robust and more bass. How do you find the mesh in terms of dynamics? I wonder about the longevity of the delicate mesh compared to the solid plate XLS.
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Lak,
Thank you very much.You also have very nice systems (3).
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Andrew,
If someone were to ask my advice for cost effective upgrades, I`d suggest the following.If a budget is relatively limited yet someone wants true unquestionable sound quality improvement.
1)Star Sound brass points under all components.
2)Synergistic Research Quantum fuses(be patient with burn-in).
These will yield meaningful results in improving one`s overall system sound.I feel confident stating this.
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I have to mention that the Synergistic Research Quantum fuses are really making their presence felt.With additional hours the sound is very natural and fluid with definitely increased transparency and lower level information awareness. I could`nt begin to explain why these fuses have this effect,ultimately I guess it does`nt matter.They are a clear benefit in my system and I`m glad I tried them.Tis is one of the very few products I`ve used that went from intially unimpressive to very impressive with burn-in.
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Hi Rok,
Yes I have quite a few Miles recordings myself.I just ordered some Fats Navarro CDs, he IMO is one of the true greats of jazz trumpet, a stunning bop player who died too soon (age 26!).When I listen to Clifford Brown (who also died at 26) I can hear some Navarro influence though he certainly had his own sound. I found a CD live recording from the late 1940s that features Charlie Parker, Navarro and the great Bud Powell. Needless to say I can't to hear these icons together.

Regarding the DSO, their performance of the Ninth was very fine and I hope you'll have the chance to view it.
Charles,

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Last night a friend and I were fortunate enough to attend a performance at Detroit Orchestra Hall(what a beautiful interior! the epitome of good taste and decor). They`re doing a Beethoven festival this week and we heard the Ninth Symphony performed with full orchestra and a large choral and individual soloists. This was very well performed and impressive, the music and sound were simply excellent.Very different from my frequent jazz club visits but still I certainly enjoyed this experience.I love jazz(always) but find i`m beginning to include more classical music in my listening.I like it but can`t say it moves me to the same degree as jazz does.
I look forward to attending other classical music performances in the future.
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Rok2id,
"Bags Groove" is a classic! Milt, Monk and Miles.Then you have Percy Heath's bass keeping it all tied together, I love it.If you like that I'll assume you must like "Walkin" by Miles Davis done that same year.This features beautiful tenor saxophone by the very under appreciated Lucky Thompson .

Andrew,
The fuses are really quite good at this point. If they continue to improve up to 300 hours all the better, this was money well spent.
Regards,

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Rok2id,
You're welcome and thanks for your comments.Billy Eckstine had one of the great voices in jazz and his pairing with Sarah Vaughan and his big band of the1940's-50's are timeless. You mention Milt Jackson, wow, one of my favorite musicians ever.I enjoyed him more when he played without the MJQ, he was restrained and held back to fit that group's style.when he played, bop, ballads and blues he was as communicative and expressive as one could be.He was a first rate musician and had a long and illustrious jazz career. Rok, take a listen to the CD "Bags and Trane" milt and coltrane really sound good together and features Hank Jones on piano.
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The Synergistic Research fuses have really come into their own now.Burn-in was a necessity, they unquestionably improve openness, clarity and overall detail. They and the Star Sound products compliment each other fabulously. The best part is that the organic and holistic character of the music reproduction is completely preserved. I'd recommend these two products to anyone with full confidence. Just give the fuses time to break in.
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Jazz alert,
I have to recommend these CDs, I've had them quite a while but play them frequently as they're so engaging and involving.
"Manhatten Moods" a duet with Mycoy Tyner (piano) and Bobby Hutcherson(vibraphone).Wonderful playing, I play this CD then repeat it again.It's something as these two instruments can fill a room.You feel as though you're in the studio with them.

Billy Eckstine ,
"Imagination"with a big band recorded in 1957 or 58.Beautiful capture of his great voice and instruments. He was definitely still in his prime years.

"Johnny Hartman," from the early 1960s.Done with a variety of musicians including John Coltrane, just a beautiful voice and selection of songs.
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Onemug,
When Israel introduced the Frankenstein the KR 300b was his favorite.He loved its sound but found the tube unreliable with too many failures in the field. He was not happy with the lack of support from KR in addressing the replacement of defective tubes.He now offers the Black Treasure series(BT) as his top choice and he has`nt had any failures.The BT is a very reliable tube(I had zero problems with mine) and sounds good also.A year ago I tried the Takatsuki and there`s no going back(granted the Takatsuki is far more expensive).

I do appreciate the fact that Israel designed the Frankenstein in such a very conservative fashion.It`s easy on the 300b for extended tube life and the transformers are over specified.They only run at 30% of their rated capacity.
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Onemug,
The Frankenstein runs at 26 watts of dissipation, Israel runs the 300b in a relatively conservative manner.I`m glad the EML true woven mesh tube worked out fine for you. How would you compare it to your Sophia Electric 'perforated' plate?How do they differ in tone,timbre and harmonics? One mug, I get the impression you listen to music as often as I do.
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I`m a deep admirer and lover of jazz music. Three CDs I`ve been listening to a lot recently are really a joy.All rhree are live recordings,just in case anyone is interested.

1)Carmen McRae, "The Great American Songbook" this feaures Joe Pass on guitar.
2)Theloneous Monk, "Live at the It Club"
3) Roger Kellaway, "Live at the Jazz Standard"

They`re all different,but all three are excellent.(if you like jazz).
Regards,

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Onemug,
How are the EML mesh plate 300b tubes working out? I would like to hear them in my amp one day. They have a great reputation for their sound.
Regards,

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Andrew,
The SR Quantum fuses initially were a step backwards, the sound loss it's organic character and became a bit clinical and hifi.After about 120 hours or so it just regained the naturalness but with better clarity and resolution.Similar to the Star Sound products but to a lesser degree. The tone and body of instruments are full and complete with very good overtones and harmonic information. I have to say the brass audio points are the first metal devices that I enjoy.Apparently good quality brass is a musical metal.There's no edge or artificial coloration, just nice and natural, the way I like it.
Regards,

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If I do anything with the speakers it'll likely be trying out the Star Sound Stands.
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charles1dad

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I placed the Star Sound brass points beneath my DAC yesterday and the improvement was immediate.Now they`re beneath all of my components and without any question this product is beneficial.There is a lowered noise floor, resolution, nuance,spatial information and dynamic contrast are better.The "you are there" perception is heightened.

They preserve the organic tone and character of my system(perhaps even improved it). Other metal cones and carbon fiber produts I`ve tried before altered the tone.The sound became mechanical with an added edge and loss of natural bloom and fluidity,not this time.Mechanical grounding is is worth striving for.I had always preferred the Herbie`s Tenderfoot over all the others but these Brass points are an improvement in comparison.
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Chuck,
Thanks for the suggestion.I tried both directions early on and will do so again when they have additional hours.
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Bill,
Do you feel you`re taking a risk by running the components with fuses(or is that a small risk). How much sonic improvement do you feel you gain?
Regards,

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Andrew,
At this early stage the results are mixed.With the SR Quantum fuses in the amplifier and linestage there seems more clarity perhaps, however the character has become a bit clinical and cooler and is`nt quite as holistic with an organic flow as it had before.they may simply need more hours,I`ll wait and see.

With the addition of the Takatsuki 300b,Duelund CAST and Sistrum plateform there was no downside.Resolution,information and transparency improved with no loss of the natural-organic character or musicality.If the SR improve with more time,good,if not it`s back to the original fuses.
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Spirit,
I`m as big a fan of SET amplifiers as you`ll find,but realize they are`nt the answer for everyone.If you`re truly pleased with your present amplifiers why change them?(unless you just want to try something different).You`ve put together a very impressive system and it makes you happy(is`nt that the point?).Reading various posts on audiogon you find people who`ve spent quite a bit of money(and sometimes frequent component turnover) and yet never seem happy(at least for long)with listening to their systems.I really enjoy music with my system and if others don`t like the sound I have it would`nt bother me at all.Spirit, it`s clear from reading your posts that you appreciate and enjoy what you have.As Ricky Nelson once sang "you can`t please everyone so you have to please yourself".
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Spirit,
Good call on both of those choices, I believe you`ll have no regrets.
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Andrew,
You make a strong point regarding long term value (which is an individual determination), this is something I always factor in my decisions. It's very easy to pour hard earned money on audio gear only later to recognize it may not have been good return on actual performance gain. Obvious each one of us has to make this call via our own standards. I'm pretty certain this new stand will be a very good product.It will be up to me to judge the relative value/performance outcome. What I may find too expensive may not be the case for someone else. I'm in a fine tuning mode now, just extract the most from my current components as I have no desire to change them.But fine tuning within reason.
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Considerably more expensive?
I 'll just have to wait see.I won't question the fairness aspect but I do place self imposed limits where audio is concerned.This helps me avoid impulsive and regrettable decisions that are easy to commit in this pursuit.
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Brf,
Thanks for the update.I hope they put some information on their web site soon.I'd like to know the price range.
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charles1dad

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I think andrew learned about them via conversations with robert of Star Sound.I'm not sure they are actually available yet.
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charles1dad

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Roxy54,
This is why I 'm curious to learn more about the new backstage platforms by Star Sound.
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charles1dad

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Brf,
Robert is a very nice person and knowledgeable. Be patient with Duelund, those CAST are handmade.The wait will be rewarded. The combination of these two products will be some of the wisest money invested in your fine system.If you're not happy I'll be very surprised.
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Andrew,
One point that's very apparent after a long conversation with the Absolare founder/owner is their extraordinarily attention to resonance and vibration management.They consider this to be a very important and fundamental issue to be dealt with. I would imagine Chalice Audio addresses this in a most serious manner also.The Sistrum platform effect in my system is most convincing of the need to successfully manage resonance via effective mechanical grounding. When this Las Vegas show system used the 200 watt MSB SS amps the sound was respectable but nothing more.The insertion of the 50 watt PSET completely transformed the sound, truly amazing improvement. I curious to see if Robert Harley is as impressed as I when he reviews it in the near future (to my understanding).
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Andrew,
The Chalice Audio amps caught my attention a few years ago. They are cost no object and probably sound fantastic. I may have found a rival to it, the Absolare Passion amplifier. They are both PSET 845 NFB perfectionist design and built with the same goal of being very best. I heard the Absolare amps at the show in Las Vegas a few weeks ago. It was simply superb driving Rock port Altair speakers. The very best sound I heard there, just wonderful. I'd love to hear these two head to head.
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One of the claims made by Star Sound regarding the Sistrum platform is it will increase the component`s efficiency when placed on it.I think this is correct.My SET transformers never feel hot to touch, only warm(even when on all day long).Now with them on the platforms they are cooler,only 'lukewarm' to touch no matter how many hours the`ve been in use.I noticed this last night after they`d been playing for 6 hours.There seems to be real science and engineering involved as opposed to the typical marketing hype we often encounter.
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Brf,
I think the SP 101 platforms would be just fine for you, the points can positioned how ever you choose to do with them. Brf, they really are excellent.
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Hi Andrew
I did reposition the ams and they are symmetrical on the platforms now (no change in the sonics just appearance. I'll get to the fuses in a few days, darn it, the sound with platforms are improving overtime (settilng?) Can't explain it. I have to get more information on the backstage stands they maybe perfect for me.
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Testpilot sorry for the strange typo error, don't know how westport replaced your name. I do appreciate your kind comments.
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charles1dad

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Hi Bill,
If you find yourself near Detroit just give me a call, you''re always welcome.
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charles1dad

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Testpilot,

The side mounted woofers have been fine, no problem in my room.I have them firing to the outer position.
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charles1dad

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Westport,
Thanks for the compliments.The only new Coincident model I heard is the Pure Reference in Israel Bloom's home when auditioning the linestage over 3 years ago.I really like my TE with the soft dome revelator tweeter, high resolution but so natural in character.I don't know if I'd like the newer ribbon models better or not.

The amp position on the stand has been adjusted (call off the hounds).
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charles1dad

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Brf,
Really it's working out just fine, I'd bet you'd like the SP 101 in your system despite your exprience with the SP 04 stand.
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charles1dad

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Brf,
The points beneath the amps form a equilateral triangle with spacing of11 inches, it's very stable. I'd consider the audio points but I'm more intrigued with the backstage stands Andrew mentioned as a more complete solution(if the cost is reasonable).
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Guys,
Believe me I am sold on the idea of these stands! They''re not suited to my particular speakers is my point. Andrew the backstage option you mention could just what I need, I'm very open to that route.Is there any information about them to read yet? I placed the brass disc last night, they do matter.

Bottom line, these Star Sound SP 101 platforms are a must have component.The music last night utterly involving(even more than it's always been) and completely engaging, what a joy.
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charles1dad

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The music is sounding even better tonight, there's much swing and flow.Mechanical grounding eh? Dynamics and live like energy is something else.
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charles1dad

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.Two pictures of Sistrum and my SET amplifier.

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Roxy54,
As I acknowledged earlier no question these sistrum stands would benefit a pair of speakers given their effect with amplifiers. My Total Eclipse won`t work well with the sistrum(unsecure and too narrow speaker footprint. I`m very happy with the results I achieved .I won`t risk a 165 pound speaker falling in the interest of better sound.We do what we can given a set of circumstances.
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charles1dad

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Brf,
Currently the amps are sitting on the audio point tips. I do plan placement of the brass disc soon.

charles1dad

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Bill,
I thank you and andrew for the recommendation to try the sistrum platform. Given their effect with my SET amplifiers I can believe they`d be great to use with speakers but mine are`nt compatible with these(and I`m keeping the speakers for a long time).I`m very happy with the sistrum -amp match.

The past year has been plenty of fun improving a system I was so content with.

1)Takatsuki 300b tubes.

2)Duelund CAST.

3)Star Sound TECH Sistrum platform.

All 3 are top tier products.
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Well my 'hide and seek' game has come to an end, I found the hidden bolts last night(they were tucked away in the bubble plastic).I was able to assemble the sistrum stands(easy job).At the first note of music an immediate difference is heard.Things sound clearer,vibrant,energetic and lively.These qualities were`nt lacking to begin with but have improved.Seperation,articulation and the gradient of dynamics are more present with an increase in contrast.

The very subtle sounds of inner detail and nuance are more noticeable(this was already a strength,now even better). One thing this suggests to me is some how the noise floor of my system has been lowered.If these findings are the result of effective mechanical grounding, well then I`m a convert. Without question I realize there`s increased resolution,information and transparency yet there is`nt any loss of the organic vibe my system`s always had(and was improved with the Duelund CAST capacitors).

These are obviously very early impressions but they are so apparent.It seems a slight veil or very subtle haze has been removed and I`m hearing more music informtion that was`nt as clear before.This is a significant change(relatively speaking)as I found transparency,open airy sound and nuance a current strength in my system.

I know Brf found no improvement with using the sistrumSP-04 stand,could the SP-101 I `m using be that much better?The sense of an increased 'live' sound with the added low level information retrival is really something special.This is with just 2 1/2 hours of listening,if the sistrum 'settles in' and continues to improvement(I`m very pleased now!)then just as the Duelund CAST I`d consider both of these products a must have in your audio system.

If you own components you really enjoy and appreciate(as I do) then these two masterful products will unlock the full pontential and quality they have to offer.They will give you exceptional return on the money spent as they substantially improve music reproduction in your home system.
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charles1dad

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Well there''re no bolts to be found in the shipping box to night.Home Depot did'nt have the bolts Robert specified either.He will have to mail them Monday.I''ll fool with the fuses while I wait.

charles1dad

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Robert suggested they need a few days for that purpose.Bill when it comes to audio I'm very receptive as there's so much we hear that no one can clearly explain.
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charles1dad

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Agear that`s true I could do that. Robert called me (thanks andrew) and here`s the deal. Robert shipped everything but the plaforms,these came from tom in Louisville.Robert says the bolts are in the very bottom corner of the shipping box in bubble wrap.I thought that was there just for cushioning-protectection(did`nt feel any metal bolts).Well I`m at work until 7 tonight so my wife says she`ll recheck the box for me(she always helpful).If she finds them good,I`ll assemble the stands tonight.The Synergistic Research fuses came yesterday also but I`ll sample the stands effect alone before placing the fuses in the linestage and amplifiers.
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charles1dad

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My Sistrum SP-101 stands were delivered yesterday. I was unable to assemble them as the 'hex'bolts were missing(they did include the wrench however). I`ll call robert monday and let him know.Based purely on looks and feel they seem like a very well engineered product.The stainless steel support legs are heavy and have a very good finish,the brass cones are also nice.Hope to have them in use sometime next week.
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Hi Chayro,
I`ve not listened to them without the extended brass cones attached. They sure sound fine with them.The TE is 52" tall with a 9" width,they need the increased footprint and stability provided by the cones.
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Brf,
I`m glad to hear that,the CAST will make your TEs absolutely sing.The CAST sound good straight out of the box(first few hours) and just get better and better over the next 150- 200 hours.There`s no painful burn-in period to put up with as with some products.I hope your experience with them will be as rewarding as mine.
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charles1dad

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Brf,
Do you still plan to put the Duelunds in your Total Eclipses?
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charles1dad

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Peter,
I compared these two on this system page in December 2011.I think the Dude with the Duelund CAST and selective tube rolling would make many picky listeners very happy(the Dude I heard lacked the CAST).The Coincident just has a different sound and presentation due in large part to DHT tubes and only one stage of gain.Either will certainly satisfy critical listeners but I would`nt exchange my CSL for any other linestage I`ve heard so far.Many Dude owners will feel the same about their units for sure.
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Brf,
All comments and perspectives are welcome and appreciated here.You reported your experiences as they were, not everyone will have the same outcome, that's how it goes. I get my stands tomorrow and will see what happens. I have high hopes and expectations.
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charles1dad

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I have`nt heard those. I was considering the SRA amp base also(very highly praised) but I like the premise of the Sistrum design,we shall see.
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Hi Brf,
Yes I don`t think the TE is a good candidate for these platforms(too narrow 9" with the tall height).The wide base heavy brass cones by Coincident are very stable.I`m getting the SP 101 platforms which robert says is superior to the lesser models. I`ll use them under my SET monoblocks and see(hear) what happens.Brf,I hope my experience with the Sistrum is more sucessful thsn yours.

So far bill and andrew`s suggestions have been on the mark and both are enthusiastic concerning the Sistrum stands(they may be using the higher levei SP 101).Afterall they did say "Duelund like" effect(smile).
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charles1dad

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Sorry about the typing mistakes. New tablette I'm using.

charles1dad

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Andrew, you think highly of the Dueliund CAST and the Sistrum stands.Which had the greafter effect in your system? If you could only have one which product would you keep?
Regards, theSistrum

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Hi Onemug,
I''ve not heard either of these tubes but have always been interested in the true woven mesh plate. Iknow Jeff Day is very fond of the Sophia tubes. I bet you are going to really like the EML. If I did'nt have the Takatsuki it would have been the RP or EML mesh most likely for me.
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Hi Highend64,
Thanks for your kind comments on my room. I must admit I spend many hours there happily listening to music(I watch very little television).I`m sure you derive much pleasure with your system also.
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Roxy54,
Thanks very much for your input.I don`t doubt you,bill, andrew or any other opinion of these stands effect beneath speakers.Robert of Star Sound said they will work fine with speakers and also tube amplifiers such as mine. My concern is less speaker stability perched on this stand and unwanted increased height. The amps on the other hand would be very stable and presumably better sounding on these stands. It seems to me either use of the Sistrum will be a worthwhile benetfit.

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charles1dad

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Spirit.
I meant to also say that I believe the VSF capacitor (the middle choice in the Duelund line) is closer to CAST in performance and much better than the Alexander.
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charles1dad

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Spirit,
I just went straight to the CAST and did`nt bother with incremental steps along the way. I would listen to Grannyring(bill), he`s tried multiple capacitors and is a source of vast knowledge without the hype.CAST prices have come down recently and although still expensive(relatively so) they are superb.I doubt anyone who has actually used the Duelund CAST has had any regrets(well there`s always that one exception lurking out there I suppose).
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charles1dad

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Hi Andrew,
The Coincident Total Eclipse(T.E.)is tall(52") deep(22") but narrow with a width of 9". So for this reason Israel offers 4 braas spikes that screw into the lower cabinet and offer a wide and secure base(extened footprint and very stable). These narrow speakers(no way to attach them, they would just set freely on the stand) would be unsecured on the Sistrum stands(easier to tip over if bumped).Robert understands that I`ll use them with my amplifiers(he very confident in their effect).He did mention the need for settling in.
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Hi Grannyring(bill)
I had wanted the SP-04 stands but robert said they`re no longer available.He suggested the 101 stands and says they can adjust to fit my amplifiers(I`d believed these were too large for my amps,he says they`re not) he says these are better anyway.Robert strikes me as sincere so I`ll go with it.Bill, when you described these stands as "Duelund like"(andrew agreed with you) that did it for me.

Two audiophile friends of mine came over last night, they had`nt heard the system since the Duelund insertion.We listened to music for over 3 hours(a variety of things). They were impressed with the improved overall resolution/detail combined with a pure natural-effortless sound, so organic with beautiful tone.One of them has Duelund caps but has`nt install them yet,I hope this motivates him(smile).The Duelund CAST most certainly improve openess,air and dynamic contrast. I know I sound like a broken record but the CAST is a brilliant product.
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charles1dad

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I`m going to order the Synergistic Quantum SR 20 fuses and the Star Sound Sistrum amp stands today.I`ve thought it over for a while(as I always do prior to a purchase) and it seems these are serious products. There`s so much hype about many audio products that just don`t prove out in reality.My gut feeling is these two products are proven and are well praised by many who`ve used them.

I had this same feeling toward the Takatsuki 300b tubes and the Duelund CAST capacitors and the resulting improvements were fabulous.I hope I can say the same again.Listening and time will tell.
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Hi Zephyr,
Thanks again for the compliments.
I took a look at your system and it`s very impressive and well thought out to say the least. Although our systems follow different approaches I`m certain you derive sheer musical joy every time you listen to your music.
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Zephyr,
Thank you, I really appreciate your kind comments.
Perhaps I`m just lucky but the sound is no different with the pictures compared to when the wall was bare.The Miles Davis was a gift from my sister in law and my wife and I selected the Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie pictures.
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Hi Spirit,
Many people experienced with various capacitors say the Duelund VSF(and theVSF Black a step above VSF) are some of very top caps available. The CAST is considered better yet. I don`t know your speaker but I`d find it hard to believe the Duelund would`nt improve the sound.Is`nt Zu offering it as an optional upgrade?

In my Coincident speaker the level of openiness,transparency and resolution improved and the sound became even more natural and realistic of instumental tone and dynamic contrast. Really, it was a very worthwhile and noticeable change.I think the Duelund is a very premium product and occupies the highest tier.
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Onemug,
I`m cautious with recommendations due to the varibles of different amplifier/system compatibility and of course different ears. In my amplifier the RP was truly special and close to the Takatsuki.1200 USD is`nt cheap but it`s much less than 2000 USD(Takatsuki).If I had to buy 4 tubes the RP really begins to look even better based on sound quality/price value.Onemug though I`ve not heard them, many say the EML meshplate 300b is a contender(I know,so many choices).I tried the W.E. 300b reissue and did`nt like them much at all(though others rave about them).Suggestins are tough.All I can say is in my particular amplifier, the RP and Takatsuki were in a different league

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Onemug,
I agree with gary,the RP is better than the BT tube by a significant margin.The RP is closer to the Takatsuki(both occupy a higher plane) in overall sound.The BT is a good performing 300b,RP is a 'superior' performer.

Agear,
Thanks, I trust you opinion.Sistrum and Synergistic it will be.

Hi Dragon,
My email is [email protected]
I `m happy to help if I can.
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I`m going to fine tune my system, I very happy with my current components and just have no desire or reason to replace them. The Duelund experiment actually exceeded my expectations.The Star Ground Sistrum platforms make sense to me and I`ll give them a try("Duelund-like", how can I go wrong?). I`ll also give the Synergistic Research Tesla fuses a try. These were highly suggested by the Absolare folks I met at CES last week.These people were so friendly and smart.

Anyone who can develop a product like the Absolare Passion amp and linestage has my full undivided attention and respect.Their system was quite honestly the best reproduction of music I`ve ever heard,so natural-organic, life-like and real,the true antithesis of the artificial hifi sound. It was a fun time(and educational) they place much importance on resonance/vibration control. Based on what I heard I`m a believer.

It will be interesting to see what effect the Sistrum and premium fuses make in a system I already love.I believe a lot of additional performance is available in our components than we often realize.Getting the most from what you currently own may be better than constant 'upgrading' and replacing components(at least in some cases).If the platforms and fuses provide one half of the improvement the Duelunds did I`ll be ecstatic.
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charles1dad

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That white rectangular item in the crossover is the Zobel Network.It`s used to smooth and even out the impedance and thus decrease fluctuations(limits wide impedance changes with varying frequency ranges). It`s not in the signal pathway.Got home last night from CES, this trip was worthwhile and very enjoyable.I`m glad I was able to attend.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback on the Sistrum platforms.Saying something is 'Duelund like' is enough tho get me hooked.

Regarding the crossover components the white object is a non electrical parT(just a support piece beneath the inductor).It was`nt connected to any wire or other parts,we found no resistor.

Well I`m off to Las Vegas today for T.H.E. SHOW and CES.I`m really curious to hear the Absolare Audio Passion preamp and PSET amplifier.Hope I can play music of my own in their room.
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Grannyring,
Well if the Sistrum stand has the 'CAST' effect then that`s very good news. I`m interested in true organic sound(CAST) not false warmth coloration .I want the natural tone and body of music which has enough intrinsic color and beauty.I also want to avoid products that flatten, thin out and make sound leaner and dry, that`s an even worse deviation IMO.I`ll have to look closely at these platforms for my system.
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In an earlier post I wrote that full burn-in time for the Duelund CAST was 75-80 hours. At 75 hours they sound sooo nice!They continue to improve I discovered,but have`nt reach their peak.Now I`d suggest 'full' burn-in is likely150-200 hours.Currently with over 250 hours of playing music these CAST are phenomenal!They have a stunning effect in good sounding components and just make them better.It`s as simple as that.
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Grannyring and Agear,
Do either of you hear any subtle changes to the natural character of your sound with the use of these Sistrum platforms? IOW with their insertion have you noticed any effect from the metal construction (as a few have claimed)that makes the sound 'leaner'and perhaps less organic?The principle of the design seems logical.
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Grannyring,
Thanks, I`ve read good comments about them.Some have compared them to the SRA amplifier bases and say the SRA 'might' be a bit more natural(less influence on the sound character vs the metal Sistrum) but opinions differ (no surprise) on this. Both are highly thought of and have relatively long track records of performance.Naturalness/organic character of sound is my top priority for all decisions to purchase audio components.
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charles1dad

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Agear,
Do you us the Sistrum amplifier stands in your system?
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charles1dad

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The Solen cap was replaced in the speaker crossover. There are no resistors in the crossover at all, not sure what you`re referring to.
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charles1dad

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Agear,
Glad you like it.I wish he and Sarah Vaughan could have done a few more recordings together.How sad a MVA took his life at age 26.
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charles1dad

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The Duelund CAST capacitors address the issue of lowering resonance in their design. The benefit of such effort is to lower noise.Well this approach is highly sucessful!The improvement in increased tone/harmonic believability, low level information,resolution and dynamic contrast is undeniable.It really is an acomplishment to improve resolution and detail and yet gain more naturalness.The sound character is as organic and real as I`ve heard in my system(and this had been a strength).Listening to acoustic jazz and classical(which I`m discovering more and enjoying) is at a very high level of involvement and emotion.

In terms of performance- value ratio for money spent,The Duelund CAST is perhaps the best I`ve done along with my Frankenstein 300b SET amplifier which began this new foundation several yers ago.

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Abruce,
what are you referring to?

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Hi Onemug,
I`m not sure if you`re a jazz nut as I am but just in case... Last night I listened to my girl,the beautiful Sarah Vaughan.
1)"Sarah Vaughn with Clifford Brown" 1954 recording Mono.
2)"After Hours" recorded 1962? Stereo.
These are just beautiful, both in terms of music and sound.
It was as though I could just reach out and touch them,the presence was that strong.
Are you familiar with these two rcordings? Tonality on both are so natural and real.
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charles1dad

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Hi Agear,
Yeah you had multiple variables at play for sure.
Interstage transformer vs capacitors won`t be solved and will forever remain a matter of choice as is 'every' other aspect of audio system construction.You can find excellent examples of either,so as I always say,let your ears decide.Otherwise it just becomes endless debate over who`s right(or wrong).I find the sound of my transformer coupled components stunning.I`d believe you feel exactly the same toward your TRL capacitor coupled components. So there,we`re both very happy with our choices.
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Hello Onemug,
Interesting question I`ve actually comptemplated on that myself.
Here`s the problem,I`m no engineer or electronics builder.All I can do is listen(but I can`t hear every component avalible)and read articles by the builders,who all make strong cases for their choices.My gut feeling is a 'top' quality interstage transformer(I.T.) (all things considered) would likely trump a 'top' quality capacitor.

Can I prove this? no,that`s why it`s merely a gut feeling.Andy Groves designer for Audio Note wrote a very compelling article on the merits of an I.T. over a coupling capacitor.israel Blume belives an I.T. beats the best capacitor(I just don`t know).VAC,Allnic(I think?),Wavac and a number of cost no object custom builders go in that direction also.

Given my experience with the Duelund CAST I know as a coupling capacitor it would sound excellent.But would it outperform a high level I.T.? My amplifier and linestage use the I.T.(custom made in japan) and sound sublime.Would that that be true with the CAST caps in their place? it`s certainly possible.I love the way my music sounds in my system. But there are other systems that are obviously as good as mine or better. There`s always more than one sucessful approach in audio. I am very satisfied with the path I`ve taken.

One thing I`d love to do is have an all silver version of my Frankenstein.Replace the copper wiring and copper wound transformers with silver everywhere and compare them side by side.I `m a huge believer in silver but I can`t argue with the musical results of the all copper Frankenstein.I`m really curious as to the differences There would be.
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Meant to type epitome not epitomy.

charles1dad

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Agear,
Are you satisfied with the CAST capacitors in your Dude preamp?
They`ve worked out brilliantly for me.The epitomy of organic character, beautiful natural tone of all instruments along with superb resolution,detail and nuance.Musical and emotional communication is the best so far in my system.It`s near impossible to turn off the system(and if was already difficult prior to the CAST placement).
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I think the burn-in will vary depending on the component and likely the size of the capacitor.The CAST in the speaker seemed to burn-in sooner than in my DAC.Both are really just fine now.They don`t require the extended time as many teflon caps do.
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Houstonreef,
In hindsight I`d say at 100 hours they are pretty much burned-in.The good news is there`s no pain during this process,Within a few hours of use they sound very good(that`s for my speakers,others may differ).
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Dragon viibe,
Questions like this are tough to answer when both components are this good.I have`nt compared them directly in the same system,sonically both of them are superb! they`re both in the 'natural' and 'realism' camp rather than the analytical and Hifi camp.

In terms of convience I`d choose the VAC just simply because it have far fewer tubes to be concerned with(this factor may not matter to you).Both sound excellent.
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charles1dad

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Agear,
The good news is your sound will improve significantly as the CAST caps add the hours.These are likely the most natural and realistic capacitors available. Just sit back and enjoy the organic beauty of your system(and room).Your admiration for these wonderful capacitors is going to grow,a lot!
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charles1dad

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Agear,
Well,the CAST are continuing to evolve.Yes the music is just beautiful(and has been for a while) but the sound apparently has`nt quite peaked yet. These CAST are insanely good.Agear would you consider them in your TRL GT-100 power amps if you love them in your Dude?I don`t know if you`re a Hifi guy or music lover. If the latter, you`ll be so happy with these in your system.
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Agear,
I`d say 75-80 hours seems to do it. The good news is within the first couple of hours they sound 'really' good and just continue from there.Grannyring nailed this CAST upgrade.
Onemug,
Anyone who thinks capacitor quality does`nt matter is simply wrong in my book.In the right application, their impact is substantial.
Regards,

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With additional hours on the Duelund CAST capacitors installed in my speakers and DAC there`s one conclusion. This is an OUTSTANDING product upgrade!Ironically the better your audio component is the 'more' impact the CAST will contribute.They are so pure,honest and transparent that what ever 'hidden' ability(due to stock capacitors limitations) your component has, the CAST will set it free and unrestrained.

the CAST is likely one of the most cost effective improvements available to high quality audio components. It moves in the direction of natural music reproduction, it`s the polar opposite of "Hifi".
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Agear,
Thanks for the kind comments.I`d say you have gained wisdom and appreciation and have learned from your experiences. From this point and onward not only will you have improved sound, but also more'enjoyment' with your music.Be happy as you`ve recognize past mistakes(some people never learn and continue to spin their wheels).Audio components are nothing more than a means to an end,deeper involvement with your music.

Your priorities have changed and for the better.You`ll have many years of great music to get lost in with the wonderful room you`ve built,comgratulations.I`m with Morganc, I want to learn from your room building venture.
Regards,
Charles,

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Grannyring,
In my experience(lucky perhaps) silver cables have always been just right for me.They are very open, transparent,and resolved in a natural sense and quite frankly, organic and inviting.I for some reason have`nt had the glare,edge,brightness or 'silver sheen' others complain about.

My current silver cables are refined, nuanced,subtle and natural,really the best I`ve experienced so far. I`m glad you have found silver cables that suit your evolving system.I believe 'good' silver cables just let you hear your system`s true character.It seems your system is just continuing to improve.The silver is confirming that fact.Grannyring, I can only imagine what the silver foil CAST capacitors must do, my lord!
Regards,
Charles,

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Grannyring,
When you consider the research, time and effort Agear has invested,I`m glad to hear the results are that impressive! I want to read and learn about the details for such a listening room as he`s developed. My gut tells me it does`nt come cheap, but it sure seems like money well spent.Grannyring has this inspired you to do the same with your room?
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Agear,
It seems as though you`re progressively discovering what personally works best for you.The variables you mention are definite factors that determine satisfaction or disappointment with one`s system.Some speakers will mate better with SS and others with tubes. I`ve heard top tier SS amps in systems built to compliment them.They simply have`nt moved me or have the same degree of emotional involvement and sense of realism that top quality tube amps provide(particulary SET amps).Of course this is merely my own personal experience and nothing more.

I know many people get the same pleasure from SS, class D or big push-pull multi tubed amps as I get from my preferred low power simpler amps(different ears = different choices).Agear once you get your system complete I`ll really look forward to your impressions.I suspect you`re going to be very happy.You have put in much effort in the entire system concept including the room itself and its major role.
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Agear,
I read the article you sent and enjoyed it very much. I certainly could relate to the suthor`s perspective as I have a very similar bias.In the time that has past since this article was wriiten the overall direction of "fHigh End" has not altered its course.

I do feel the authur would be plesantly appreciative that the genre of SET amp-high efficiency speaker has not just survived but has imptoved in quality(a lot),number of choices available and popularity(on a modest scale).

I`ve believed for a long time that audio component choice/attraction is a very personal endeavor. The only way to reach genuine joy and contentment is to know what you 'really' desire for your system and then go after it.
I realized early on if you can`t connect to your music emotionally and really get involved, you have the wrong equitment in your home. There`s no reason to listen to music if you don`t "enjoy" it.With the multitude and variety of amps,preamps,source types,cables and accessories, there`s something out there for all of us.
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Daniel,
I`ll send you a reply.
Regards,

charles1dad

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Hi Agear,
Thanks for the article,I`ll print it and read it tonight. Given the title of this article I suspect it will be rather interesting.

Regarding audio system logevity I`ve been lucky in that there has been no frustration or stress,I realize I`m not a 'hard core'audiophile seeking audio perfection. My only intention and desire is to get the components that draw me into my music and communicate the emotion and beauty of it.

Nothing more or less,just involve me and I`m happy.So any component,gadget or accesory that increases naturalness,organic character and full color tone and body(I call it realism) gets my attention and holds it.The wonderful Duelund CAST capacitors fit in perfectly with the way my system was put together.They just raised my already content and happy state.This basic system will be with me for many years. Agear, I wish you the best with your ongoing system development.I hope the CAST please you as much as they have for me.
Regards,
Charles,

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Hi Daniel,
I know you`re comparing the Exemplar Audio DAC to the Yamamoto.I love the stock Yamamoto.If you decide to keep it then the Duelund CAST will improve EVERYTHING! this DAC has to offer with these superior capacitors installed. You name it resolution,air,bass and treble,organic tone etc.(what ever sonic parameter) and it`s better.The CAST(huge) easily fit in the DAC(see Yamamoto picture above).It`s money very well spent if you decide to keep the DAC.Either way you decide to go,good luck.
Charles,

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Grannyring,
You are right my friend, with only a few hours of playing time the impact of the CAST in the DAC is indeed greater.

Right out the box the natural tone and organic character are undeniable.Clarity,transparency,openess and improved dynamic verve are obvious.Time will only improve this virtues.

Shigeki Yamamoto is simply very talented,he got 'very good' natural sound using these small(and likely relatively inexpensive) capacitors.Real world budget considerations do come into play.He openly admits to placing much emphasis on a strong power supply and a simple analog circuit built to sound excellent(he avoids op-amps and NFB).

This formula worked out well as the stock DAC sounds much better than most I`ve heard.The Duelund CAST take this very solid foundation to a higher level,across the sonic board.These CAST caps cost less than many high end cables yet provide(IMO) a more significant improvement than any IC,SC or power cord I`ve heard.

The CAST are a near mandatory recommendation based on my two experiences.They elevate the very good components to the superb level.This Yamamoto with CAST is sounding really wonderful in the background right now.See picture above in system pictures.
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Agear,
I heard the Dude linestage last year in my system. I could imagine that with the Duelund CAST in place of the stock capacitor it will be fantastic.Good decision IMO.
Do you plan to post a system page? I`d like to see it.
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Agear,
I really appreciate Grannyring`s input and experience.I tend to keep my componemts for years(prior system was intact for 15 years). I enjoy my current SET system so much(over 3 years now).If using premium level capacitors can further improve what I already love,hey,why not. The Duelund CAST cost is far less than constantly chasing after different components. All I want is beautiful and natural music reproduction in my home,the Duelund CAST(in my speakers) contributed to this goal quite nicely.I hope they have the same very noticable benefit in my DAC.

Regards,

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I got an unexpected surprise today,the Duelund CAST were delivered this morning. Apparently Parts ConneXion had them in stock (yesterday they said a few weeks to ship).
I`ll have them installed into the Yamamoto DAC in a few days and will post early impressions of what I hear.
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Hi Daniel,
Here`s the deal, I`ve owned my Yamamoto for nearly 3 years and really enjoy it. The output caps in the analog circuit are pretty decent quality polypropylenes.Shigeki-Sans is able to get very good sound with these caps.

The Duelund CAST is just a better capacitor and putting it into the DAC at an important location should lead to improvement(theory I`ll admit).It worked that way for the speaker, why not the source?I`ll get them in about 4 weeks per supplier.I`ll post what I hear.
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Grannyring,
I don`t prefer or want artificial warmth. Acoustic instruments and human voices have enough without need for 'addition'. If resolution is indeed true then I`ll simply hear more of the full instruments i.e. natural-organic character with less veiling.

Many components touted as high resolution and detail are`nt IMO and just emphasize certain aspects of sound and 'hyper detail' is a fake and clinical result(I`m not seeking that).I`ve found the CAST to be the epitome of 'natural' warm,full body and accurate tone, this matches my system`s present character and objectives.The Yamamoto like the Coincident components are quite transparent and very clear(no fuzziness or pleasing yet added warmth).

Given my outcome with CAST in the speakers I`m confident of its placement in the DAC`s very simple analog circuit.If your components already sound good- very good the CAST should advance them further(giving them something to work with in other words).

I`ll place my order today,the current special pricing is a blessing.
Regards,
Charles,

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Grannyring,
Shigeki Yamamoto sent an email this morning.The two output caps are 1uF/250v. Grannyring I trust your opinion.Before I place an order I want to be sure these are the right caps to replace for best sound improvement in this DAC`s circuit.
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Hi Brett,
I`ve determined that the Duelund CAST if used in the right situations is a no brainer improvement.The CAST in my speaker is really something.
In theory the impact in my source(DAC) may have a larger impact on overall system sound,oh boy!

I emailed Shigeki Yamamoto for the output cap values(the caps are covered in a casing so I can`t see the # markings).If I don`t here from him then it`s on to plan B, have a tech measure the cap`s value.It`s worth the effort.
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Grannyring,
I wonder if the tube and SS versions use the same output capacitor of 1uf. Where did you get this information? Thanks.

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Grannyring,
Thanks for the vital information.If those two output caps are the most significant ones to replace I`ll have to get their correct values.

In this DAC would I need the high(630v) or lower voltage version of the CAST caps? As good as this Yamamoto sounds I have to think the CAST would bring even more improvement as this is the "source" of the signal.Duelund caps were out of the question as "stock" caps given the DAC`s retail price point target. So this is an opprotunity to upgrade an important component part.
Regards,
Charles,

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http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/yamamoto7/5_big.jpg This is a link to the picture that I wanted to send you.

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Hi Grannyring,
The 2nd picture is my DAC(I have the solid state version). There are several pictures in the 6 moons review of the Yamamoto YDA-01A. The YDA-01B is the tube version(the first picture you posted).

My friend Jwm(jeff) thinks it a good move also. I just neeed to know which caps change will yield the best result http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/yamamoto7/5_big.jpg
This is my DAC`s interior and review.
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Grannyring,
I took my Yamamoto DAC to a trusted technician yesterday to identify the signal caps! There`re 6 of them and they were small. The question is would the Duelunds be too large for the small space on the DAC`s board(they`re also soldered on both sides of this board).The tech said the current Yamamoto caps are high quailty(the DAC sounds beautiful).

Given my exposure to Duelund, well it`s certainly on my mind now. The big thing to consider is size and available space.
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charles1dad

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The Duelund CAST capacitors are continuing to improve with additional hours.This is simply a fabulous capacitor and it`s presence in my system is undeniably an improvement. This system excels with tone, transparency and a natural character. The CAST raises the level of these strengths.Clarity and resolution is just wonderful and without the penalty of analytical or clinical intrusion(not a trace).The CAST is a prime example for the terms realism and natural music reproduction.

A genuine worthwhile upgrade (universally) for any speaker crossover capacitor.If you desire natural tone,overtones, full note subtain and decay along with increased dynamics and flow this CAST is a bargain even at it`s premium price. It`s worth it!
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Hi Metralla,
The Total Eclipse have only 1 pair of Solen caps(tweeter) and that`s it. I`d check with Israel to be certain the Super Eclipse crossover configuration is the same.Someone once posted they have additional caps on the midrange and the Totals do not.
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Hi Grannyring,
You make some very good points.
I have a lot of respect for Israel`s talent and achievements, but in the end I always make my own decisions and follow my own path.

The Duelund CAST are similar in their major effect and stature to my 300b tubes, the brilliant Takatsuki-TA.
Both are premium priced yet are very high value products.
They are substantial improvements compared to competing products and their superior performance is beyond doubt.I would`nt not hesitate for a momment in recommending either of these world class audio upgrades if someone is willing to pay for ultra level results.
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Brf,
When I first got the idea to try the Duelund caps israel was`nt enthusiastic. He felt the change would minimal and the caps much too expensive to bother with.To his credit he made an exceptional sounding speaker utilizing the Solen caps.I love these Total Eclipses.The man is very talented(top tier speakers and electronics from the same person).

Without question they become better speakers with the CAST installed,case closed.The strong points of this speaker are 'all' improved across the board,there is`nt one downside to the upgraded capacitor.
Regards,

charles1dad

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Brf,
If I misidentified your amplifier my apologies.I think I confused you with someone else`s system(Canary amplifier and T. Eclipse).
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charles1dad

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Brf, You`ll be impressed with these CAST in your speakers. You have a Canary 300b amp I believe. The true quality and potential of a top amp will shine with these open window caps in the Total Eclipse.I feel as though I`m hearing what the Frankenstein and Takatsuki 300b combo can reaaly do, which is quite a lot more with the Solens capacitor out of the picture.
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Irish65,
Thanks for your comments.
If I were ever to change my inductors I`d likely go all the way and do the CAST( and not 2nd guess my decision).
The silver CAST products are outstanding I`m sure but just too costly for me to really consider.I`ll do just fine with the copper version.

Grannyring,
You`re right,The great tone quality is recognizable already.I did more listening last night to several very familiar CDs and the tone,timbre and presence of instruments are simply improved from what was a high stadard already.
Funny thing is, tonality and presence was a strenght of my system before the CAST. The CAST I`m realizing are pure, honest and natural. What ever the characteristic of your system the CAST will reveal it. They are`nt 'adding' anything but just do a superior job of preserving what ever signal quality the system produces.It allows the system to more fully breath and open up.This may seem silly but listening another few hours last night,the sound is steadily improving.
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charles1dad

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Grannyring,
There`re no resistors in the crossover. There is one inductor in each speaker and they`re quite large!
I`ll have to think about it. For now I`ll let the CAST caps accumulate some hours.I bet the CAST inductors are expensive and big (but no doubt excellent).
Regards,

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Brf,
Hope the pictures above (system tweaks) help. Not a difficult job(easier than we both estimated) in one speaker the CAST fits on the floor of the cabinet in front of the large coil inductor.
In the 2nd speaker the inductor is place more forward in the cabinet and the CAST would`nt on the cabinet floor.
We mounted the CAST on the front interior wall with adhesive(plenty of space for this).

Brf, even at this obviously early stage the CAST is superior to the standard Solen cap and by a noticable margin.
The Total Eclipse moves to 'superb' from the previous 'very good' level.
Worth the money without question.I was very happy with the naturalness and emotional involvement factor of my system,the replacement Duelund CAST capacitors just raised it yet higher.
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Well,the Duelund CAST capacitors are installed.Thanks to the help of my friend Jwm(jeff). He will post some pictures of the installation on the thread titled"Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in oil".There`s been plenty of Duelund discussion there for quite some time.
I`ll post a very early impression there.
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charles1dad

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Brf,
I`ll do my best but I`m no photographer.
Regards,

charles1dad

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Grannyring,
Huge may be an understatement.I`m a patient sort of fellow,I`ll give the CAST plenty of time to burn-in.
Regards

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Hi Brf,
5.6 micro farads.I got them today,they`re huge!6 1/2 " diameter and stout.There`s just enough space on the floor of the cabinet to place them. I will install them later this week with a friend and post early impressions this weekend.
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Hi Grannyring,
After a long wait I`ll get them delivered on 11/19/12.
I`m excited to see what effect they`ll have in my speakers. I certainly will post my impressions.
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Agear,
Hi and congradulations with the TRL monoblocks! they must sound wonderful with your Dude.This change is somewhat surprising as I know you were very happy with the ASR Emitter amplifier.As you mentioned above, same brand synergy can 'sometimes' be the ideal solution. It has at least worked out that way for me with Coincident components.
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Duelund CAST capacitors are considered by many to be perhaps the best best available,I `ve ordered a pair for my speaker`s crossover(thankfully my speaker has only one tweeter cap and that`s all). These CAST caps are costly but worth it per experienced users.

What`s better a premium capacitor or no capacitor at all in a component`s critical signal path? In theory no capacitor, in reality it depends on overall implementattion and various design factors.Trying to determine what component sounds better than another is difficult as so many variables have to be accounted for(other system components,synergy,how about plain old preference/taste?). You could debate until blue in the face the virtues of this vs that.The reality is there`s more than one great component that could serve your needs and make you very happy.

Phillip you`ve heard the CSL and were very impressed,you may like the Dude as much(or more,or less) if given the chance to hear it,who knows?

All I can say is I preferred the CSL as it`s truly sublime in the context of my system(stunningly conveys music`s emotional power),I can`t offer any more than that.I`m certain Agear enjoys his Dude linestage as much as I enjoy my CSL.I won`t argue about what is better than that, just listen and choose what ever component moves you the most.
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Hi Phillip,
I tried to describe them to the best of my ability.
Many Dude owners really love it,it`s very, very good.As I stated before they both share many desirable traits. The CSL is more open,airy,transparent and revealed more inner detail and subtlties IMO in my particular system.They`re both exceptionaly dynamic,powerful and large scale.

Keep in mind the CSL is a different design aitogether.
1) Only a single gain stage.
2)It uses DHT type tubes(not the common 12au7,12ax7 or 6SN7 etc.).DHT tubes are just different sounding to me.
3)There is no capacitor or resistor at all in the signal path. Instead it uses an interstage transformer.
4)Volume control is transformer based, no resistors.
5)the power supply capacitors are all polyp-film as opposed to the far more common electrolytics.

I believe these distinctions result in a purer,natural and more relistic sound. Obviously just my opinion.You and others may hear things quite differently of course.

Phillip as I said on your preamp thread, there`re some excellent choices available to you.The CSL is superb and will compete with the best alternatives out there.
Regards,

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Kzhtoo,
With Pass Labs and the Metrum you have a solid foundation for a very good system. I think you`ll be happy.
Regards,

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Hi Kzhtoo,
Thanks for the nice comment about my system.
IMO the Metrum Octave was good out the box,over the next 2 weeks I heard the sound open up and expand. It has very good tone and sounds more natural as opposed to 'hifi'.

It`s hard to beat at it`s price as far as I`m concerned.
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Hi Mitch4t,
Thank you for the compliment. It`s a simple system but it truly communicates music`s emotion and involves me completely.

I checked your system and wow! you have a very impressive set up, it must sound grand.
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Hi Brf,
I`m still waiting patiently(10 weeks so far). I was told 2 weeks ago I should have them by the end of this month. I hope that`s accurate.If the Duelund CAST are as good as everyone says then I don`t mind.
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Hi Ejlif,
Thank you for the compliment. Miles does sound very nice and natural,Clifford Brown is`nt bad either LOL.
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I`ve decided to change the capacitor(Auricap) in my speakers.Fortunately for me my Coincident speaker has only one cap(tweeter) for the entire crossover! and no resistors.I`m going to try the esteemed Duelund CAST copper WPIO capacitors.I`m quite curious to hear what the differences may be.The Duelunds should arrive in about 2-3 weeks.I will post my impressions.

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Onemug,
Gsm8439 has actual owner experience with the 2A3 and I don`t,he`d be better qualified to discuss the matching of these with the 300b.

I understand your reservations about the Takasuki, it`s very exspensive.This tube is special and should be used full range to get the most of its uber performance.

Most telling comment about the Takatsuki, people who generally have preferred the 45 or 2A3 tube over the 300b have come to recognize the Takatsuki as their sonic equal but with more output power.That`s a compliment.
Charles,

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Onemug,
I felt the same towards the BT 300b out of the box, they just kept improving with the added hours of use.You`ll have to spend more money to better them.

Have you tried the EML 2A3?(mesh or solid plate ?). This is said to be an excellent sounding tube.
Charles,

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Onemug,
The Sophia RP is a better tube(actually it`s excellent) but it`s also 2-3x the price of the Shuguang BTs.The BT is a very good value IMO.I`ve not heard the Psvane but word of mouth is good.I will say the BT 300b has been absolutely reliable and my amps are in use just about every single day for hours.
Charles,

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Hi Onemug,
Nice to hear from you. The Franks driving maggies? that sure goes against common wisdom of most maggie owners.
The Shuguang Black Treasure 300b I used for 2 1/2 years and is a 'very good' tube.I replaced it 6 months ago with the Takasuki-TA 300b. This tube is simply stunning! there`s no other way to put it. The tone,timbre,harmonics,purity and emotional communication is sublime.I really agree with the 6 Moons review of this tube.

The'only' downside to this tube is its very high cost(now 1800 USD, I payed 1400 USD.). As far as I`m concerned they`re still a bargain given their supreme sound.I`ll keep the fine Black Treasure tubes for backup/spares(you never know what can happen).

Onemug, I would also strongly consider the Psvane Black Tube 300b. Some think it`s slightly better than the Shuguang version(but pretty close overall).
Charles,
Regards,

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Hello Drdavid,
My power cables are Coincident.
Ocellia Silver Reference for IC and SC.
rEGARDS,

charles1dad

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Hi Scott,
Thank you for your very kind comments, yes I do love my jazz musicians.You should consider moving your pictures and see if it works for you.I imagine that large Nina Simone painting is really special.
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Jsujo,
Thanks for your kind comments.
Coincident makes extraordinary sounding components and I plan to keep mine for many years to come.
Regards,

charles1dad

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Isochronism,
Understood.

charles1dad

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Meant to write ,don`t need the bother of hit or miss quality of record selection.

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Chayro and Isochronism,
Thanks to both of you for your kind comments. To be clear I enjoy good analog quite a bit. My own experience is Linn LP 12 and Well tempered TT(which I liked better). Isochronism once you set up your analog rig I know it will sound fabulous with your current components.
I just don`t need the bother bother hit of miss quality of records, TT, tone arm,cart,phonostage etc. anymore.The Yamamoto provides the music without the fussiness.
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No thanks.

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Chayro,
I appreciate your comment. I had an anolog/vinyl based system for 'many' years as I found it better at that time.In all honesty the wonderful Yamamoto DAC/PS Audio PWT has simply change my opinion(not better but on equal footing).I am just as pleased with this pure organic and emotionally involving combo,divine musical satisfaction. I`ve no regrets and see no need to do the LP rig again.
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David you`re welcome. I`ll say it again, you have put together a superb system.
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Drdavid,
I`ve used both taps with my 14 ohm speakers and prefered the 16 ohm tap. the 8 ohm tap perhaps have just slightly tighter bass and that`s about it. the 16 ohm tap sounds more engaging,alive,open and expansive.It also became more dynamic with increased presence. The sound with the 8 ohm load was more closed-in and less 3 dimensional, also less air and ambience/nuance.It seems with tubes the higher the impedance load the better the sound.Speakers with a lower ohm load speaker might work better with the amplifier`s 8 ohm tap.
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The Frankenstein driving my speakers full range is plenty enough for me. I`m not a bass freak nor do I listen to music that`s heavy into bass.I don`t doubt however that the biamped system is a great sound.I honestly don`t feel the urge to tamper with the performance of my current system as is.
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Hi DrDavid,
The Takatsuki 300b can be bought via AM trans of japan. The price increased last month(sigh) and are about 1800 USD. I payed 1400 USD in feb 2012.You have a fabulous system, congratulations! I`ve not heard the shotgun cables but have heard the extreme IC in a friend`s VAC based system and was very impressed.

I do have a preference/bias toward silver cables when constructed properly. The tone,body,openess,transparency and very fine resolution etc.The Ocellia cables are perfect with my Coincident based system, just utterly organic and pure,high resolution yet so relaxed and'natural'.Don`t know what silver cables you`ve experienced but the Ocellia is full weight,body and has superb overtone and harmonic preservation.
regards,

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Hello Ghasley,
I`ve and others had a lot to say about the Takatsuki 300b on the thread "favorite 300b Sophia or KR" if you start from the early FEB/2012 to present(many posts and 4 seperate reviews).
In a nutshell this tube is sublime! It `s clearly superior in all regards to my former Shuguang Black Treasure 300b which is a very good -excellent tube itself.

Is it overkill for a pusp-pull amp? I really can`t see why it would be.I`d think the same qualities it displays with SET amps would be present with PP amps also. The problem is certain tubes seem to match some amps better than others.So far I`ve not seen any disappointed/negative comments by any actual users yet.It has just been a stunning addition to my system.The only downside is it`s very expensive and you can`t audition them before purchase. What is your amplifier and current tubes?
Best Regards,

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Hello james,
This is how I feel(after several months), the ASI Liveline are simply excellent cables(and I`ve heard my share of good ones).The Ocellia matches the liveline in terms of 'liviness' dynamic s and truth of tone/timbre. In my system the Ocellia moves ahead in organic refinement,fluidity and substain and decay.Not by a large margin but enough to notice. The liveline is just a bit more forward with slightly more transient energy(subtle degree). This could just be system dependent but the Ocellia is fuller(more complete perhaps) toned yet retains superb air,ambience and ultra resolution and nuance retrival while avoiding any hint of analytical/clinical sound.

As far as I`m concerned you can`t go wrong with either.The Ocellia is a bit more sophisticated and tactile/palpable in presence than the liveline.

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Hi Brett,
If you`re referring to the'single crystal pure solid core copper' type,yes as a digital cable. I once used the Acoustic Revive digital cable. It was good but I replaced it with the ASI Liveline digital(same analog IC cable) which I found noticably better.The A. Revive sounds a little veiled,cloudy and less open and alive in comparision.The ASI Livelne is a superb cable but the Ocellia Silver Reference is better yet.
Regards,

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Firochromis,
I have`nt heard the 'standard' Ocellia silver cables. I n all honesty (they`re based on the same principles) I suspect the differences are probably subtle rather than significant.I have to believe thay have the same natural/organic quaility.
I purchase the Reference version as I was 'very lucky', I found both the IC and SC for sale on audiogon(very rare to find these used).

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Firochromis,
I left a comment on your system page regarding the Ocellia cables.You can`t go wrong with the ASI or Ocellia, They share similar strengths.I just found the Ocellia ultra resolved yet very organic and a bit more relaxed and refined than the ASI. The Ocecilla Silver Reference allows you to hear the smallest nuance and inner detail without sounding analytical(the emotion comes though).I`ve heard the Cardas Clear in a friend`s VAC based system(not mine).The Clear is a very good IC IMO,neutral character,transparent and musically involving. But in a direct comparison to the Coincident IC I found them near identical in performance in the same friend`s system.The Coincident was a tad more forward/upfront with terrific dynamics and transparency, tonality was the same for both.The thing is the Coincident is much cheaper than the Cardas and was it`s equal without question.
Regards,

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The Takasuki 300b tubes have replaced my Shuguang Black Treasure tubes in my Coincident Frankenstein amplifier. The BT have provided me with truly good sound and zero problems with heavy use, it`s a fine tube. The Takasuki is a stunning tube and is superior to my BTs on all levels.Just wonderful realism and natural purity of tone,timbre and harmonics. This is a music lover`s 300b tube of the highest order,

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Hi Onemug,
One month of testing ACcords, for 3 systems(and 9 amplifiers) that`s quite the herculean effort.Did the type of cord mate better/worse with your various amps, SET vs tube PP vs SS ? You have certainly earned the right to just relax and enjoy lots of music.
Regards,

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Onemug,
In principle and theory I prefer unshielded (simpler is often better I`ve learned)cables.However since the Coincident AC cords have worked out so well I`ll just leave well enough alone.

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Onemug, the Coincident AC power cables are shielded. The Ocellia ICs and S. cables are not shielded.I`m curious to know what differences you find comparing the power cords.

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Hi Onemug,
It`s good to hear from you as always.You used the term 'honesty', that`s the perfect choice for silver cables if they`re propoerly implemented. I do feel there`re poorer quality silver cables that can sound bright and a bit harsh. With high quality silver I just think they reveal the true voice of a sysytem`s makeup.I do find trasients,substain and decay of notes are well preserved.

My prior ASI cables were really fine and are a mix of copper,silver,and some gold. These pure silver Oellia take it a step further with even better and fuller tone,overtones,higher resolution and some how improve the ease and effortless character(purely natural and no hifi artifacts).

Onemug, the maker of these cables(Samuel Furon) believes in 'natural materials' for insulation, his choice is paper. What ever the premise they are superb.
Ironically my power cables are 100% copper by Coincident. I got these cables when I got the Coincident components.
The exact same copper wire is used in the linestage, amplifier and in the speakers so certainly there`s some continuity involved here.In the end it has worked out exceptionally well for me.
Best Regards,

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After 10 days of further listening I can say the Ocellia Siver Reference cables are just marvelous. They`re simply transparent and provide an open clear view into the music.Tonality and timbe/harmonics is first rate. Their best attribute is the natural unforced presentation. A further step closer to musical realism.

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Ocellia wow! for the past year i`ve been very pleased with the excellent ASI Liveline cables. They`re transparent,dynamic and have exceptional tone,the best and most 'live' sounding cable I`ve heard in my system.
Well, the Ocellia Silver Reference cables equal the ASI Liveline`s transparency,energy and live like presentation.

What`s unexpected is the'superior' nuance, tone,timbre and harmonic overtones of the Ocellia.They have supreme tone and musical flow along with superb resolution. The rarity is the pure natural sound(simply organic bliss) that`s fuller and more complete in tone and innate instrument/voice color saturation than the ASI without sacrifice of pace,transients and energy.The sound is so alive and breathing with flesh and humanity, utterly convincing IMO.

The ASI cable was better than any other cable I`ve personally heard up until now. The Ocellia(French Canadian) flies beneath the audiophile radar but is a truly ultra tier product if 'natural' and effortless realism is the objective. It has significantly improved my system further into this natural-organic realm.

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Hey Jeff,
Thanks for the compliments,I appreciate them very much.
I took a look at your system, we do have a lot in common, I`m sure glad I discovered Coincident products a few years ago.
My right speaker is about 32" from the side wall. The left is near an open room(no side wall). Despite this type of placement it works out just fine. The speakers disappear with most of my recordings.I look forward to more future thoughts on your system page.

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Ekwisnek,
Hello and thank you,I really appreciate your very kind comments.I plan no changes in the forseeable future, I`m so content.
Regards,

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Fiddler,
1)I have no experience with the LSA at all and hav`nt commented on its sound(how would I know?)
2)The last thing I`m interested in is a debate about who has the better sounding system, this suggests inseucurity and quite honestly immaturity IMO.
3) I`m sincerely thriiled with the music reproduction my system provides and hope you feel the same toward yours.
4)You have very strong opinions(emotional) regarding a system you have`nt heard.

Take Care,
Charles

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Agear ,
Thanks and happy listening to you also.

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"Circular logic abounds"
I could`nt have said it any better, but they`re very content, so to each their own.
I`m certain you enjoy your Dude as much as I do my CSL.
Charles

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Hi,
Agear, thanks for your comments.
I have heard a number of passive units(have`nt heard the Lightspeed however) and feel that for certain systems they`d be near ideal. For my priorities a premium quality- no nonsense active linestage is just simply better. In the context of a good system the active linestages come closer to what I hear at live venues,the life,vitality,dynamic energy and fuller-realistic tone and body of instruments and voicec.

I`m completely thrilled with the sublime sound of the CSL.
The person who preferred the Lightspeed to the CSL, well, people just like what they like, I have no problem with that.

The Lightspeed thread has become somewhat cult like at this point with redundant posts by the same people.If someone says the LS was inferior to their active in direct comparisons linestage they are chastised, who has time for that?
Charles

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Hi Vicks7,
Thanks for the kind comments.
I had been using the very good Artisan silver cables(quite happily). The various 6 Moons reviews regarding the Liveline got my attention, I think they are just plain wonderful and a perfect fit with my SET based system.
They really do enhance a "live" presence.
Charles

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Hi Isochronism,
There`s no doubt the Coincident products were voiced to match(why not?). They are superb individually and even better when paired. I would imagine there`s also synergy when TRL products are matched.

Both of these linestages will significantly improve virtually any system they`re placed in.
As stated above the CSL had the edge in my particular system.

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Ojdetos,
Thanks very much for your comments, I appreciate them.

Morganc,
I just had the chance to listen to the TRL Dude linestage in my system 2 nights ago.Gon member bugredmachine(pete) was kind enough to lend me his.
I can understand the high praise and feedback concerning the Dude it`s exceptional and will outperform many preamps on the market. It has a big,dynamic authoratative sound that`s musical and compelling, impressive!

The similarities with my CSL are large scale presence and dynamics,full bodied tone and natural sound and no clinical-sterile character at all.
The Dude may have a bit more bass impact and weight(both preamps have plenty!). The CSL a bit more bass articulation and texture contast.
There`s probably some same brand synergy involved that favors the CSL. In my system the CSL is more transparent and open with more air,nuance and inner detail(the Dude has these qualities also but to a slightly lesser degree).
I just think the CSL has a lower noise floor.

The Dude has a wonderful bold and strong presentation and I`d say the CSL is certainly as dynamic(both are stellar in this area) but is subtly more refined-sophisticated in character.
The truth is both are superior preamps and I honestly think preference will come down to individual system voicing and matching.
The standout feature of the CSL is it`s unmatched (IMO)transperency(it totally disappears) and sheer organic purity.

Again(system synergy) it`s just the 'perfect' match with the FrankensteinMKII amplifier.
Best Regards,
Charles

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Bvdiman,
I really appreciate your comments regarding my system, as simple, natural and purity are my objectives.
W.E.300b tubes are becoming harder to find and certainly ever more expensive. There are fortunately good high quality 300b tubes in current production that many feel rival the W.E. tube.

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Hi Abruce,
Thanks for the kind compliments, The Statement Linestage is truly a wonderful component.
The music just has the breath of life and vitality of flesh and blood performers.

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System edited: The Yamamoto DAC is back in the system.After auditioning the excellent Metrum Octave Mini DAC, upon further listening the Yammy is the better communicator of music`s emotion and beauty. a natural match with the soulful Coincident components.

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System edited,
The Metrum Octave finally arrived today. It was worth the wait! This is a wonderful sounding DAC, just wonderful.
It is better than my beloved Yamamoto YDA-01(which I preferred over many others). If this is an example of how a well implemented NOS R/2R DAC sounds then I`m completely converted to this camp. Organic, liquid with superb resolution and profound palpable presence with fabulous tone.This is a very special component.

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Hi,
Onemug, I know what you mean, The 300b SET sound is just perfect for me at this time. After 2 years of frequent(and long!) listening it`s still very hard to bring a listening session to an end.It continues to push all the right emotional/enjoyment buttons.

I know you`re as happy with your music reproduction as I am
Best Regards,

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Sayles,
Hello and thanks very much for the compliments regarding my system. I sincerely believe that Israel Blume is one of the most talented designers around and makes absolutely superb components that are world class in built quality and sound performance. I agree with you ,the Total Eclipse is an under appreciated gem, driven by the Coincident preamp and amp it is the epitomy of organic synergy.
Best Regards,

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Al,
I truly appreciate your very thoughtful and kind compliments. I must confess and admit how much I`ve learned from reading your many informative contributions on this site.

I must also say, your system with the timeless and superb VAC Renaissance 70/70 amps must be heavenly driving those Daedalus Ulysses speakers.
Best Regards,
Charles,

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Hello,
Onemug, thanks very much for the thoughtful compliments. I must admit the Treasure Series 300b tubes have been excellent in both sound quality and reliability for the past 19 months ( my amps are in use practically every day). They will sound good out the box, but progress to superb over 150-200 hours of use. I think you`ll like them quite a bit. What amplifier will you be using?

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Hi,
Thanks for the kind comments Musicophile. I hardly watch television at all anymore. I spend much of my spare time just getting lost in the music. Given your very fine systen I know you can relate.

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Hi,
Kevinzoe,Thanks a lot for very nice compliments. My room is in a finished basement(concrete floor) the space is 14x25 feetx8 foot ceiling(acoustical tiles) the floor is low pile carpet with a pad. The wall cavities are cellulose insulated and with 5/8inch drywall. It`s a very qiet space and fairly well dampened. At this point the sound is alive with lots of dynamics and presence. I`m quite happy with the room`s sound and for now I`ll leave well enough alone. Kevin, I took a look at your system, wow! it`s so very well planned and thought out, You must have excellent musical reproduction. I see you`re also a fan of DHT SET amps with high efficiency speakers. I`m not aware of the FAB Audio speakers but they must be great with your Art Audio PX25.
Sincerely,
Charles,

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Jonathan,
Thank You, I sincerely appreciate your very kind comments concerning my system. You are really going to enjoy your new Coincident Super Victory speakers. They will sound wonderful with your Manley amplifier.

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Have all ASI Liveline cable(IC and speaker) and it`s excellent! The trumpets of Miles Davis,Chet Baker and Nicholas Payton, The piano of Kenny Barron, Thelonious Monk or Duke Ellington, and the voices of Johnny Hartman, Mel Torme, Sarah,Ella and many other great artist are rendered in a most lively and very realistic-emotional manner. 6 Moons absolutely got this cable called on the bull`s eye.

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System edited,
I`ve added the ASI Liveline IC between the DAC and linestage. With about 160 hours of use I must say this is a special cable.It has improved dynamics and musical flow/pace in a system where this was already a strength.Tone,timbre and harmonic overtones are rendered simply organic, pure and natural. My objective is to have as much natural realism with acoustic instruments and voice,with minimal intrusion of electronic-mechanical coloration. The liveline has pushed the system`s performance noticably closer to this goal.This cable matches the character of the Yamamoto DAC and Coincident products, very lively,dynamic,high energy yet utterly natural with a sense of relaxation(unforced presentation) and overall fluid gestalt. Wonderful job MR. Franck Tchang.

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Abill,
I forgot to mention, the Sylvania 5u4 came from Andy`s vintage tube services.

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Hello Abill,
Thanks for your nice comments regarding my system.Israel Blume stopped using the KR 300b tubes due to poor reliability and lack of warranty support from the company . He said it`s a good sounding tube But had too many failures with his customers. He feels the Shuguang Treasure tube sounds as good if not better(matter of opinion I realize). I`ve had the treasure tubes for quite a while and have had zero problems with about 1500 hours so far.
The rectifier tube is a Slyvania 5u4. from the early 1950s. I don`t hear much of a difference compared to the original GE tube(just wanted to experiment for fun) I`m glad you have`nt had problems with your KR tubes.
I would like to hear the Total Victory4 speakers, as I`m curious to hear that ribbon tweeter.
Best Regards,

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Abe,
Thanks, given the high caliber of your system and it`s many fine components I`m quite flattered.

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Hello,
GlennHiFi, thanks for the kind compliments. Those giants of jazz pictured on my wall are musicians I have deep admiration for. Also in this room are pictures of Thelonious Monk and Frank Sinatra, I`m a very happy jazz nut.

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Hello,
Tony, my room is in a finished basement and the floor you see is actually plush wall to wall carpet with a dense pad beneath it(can`t appreciate with the pictures I know). the ceiling height is 8 feet with the installed acoustical tiles. The walls are dry wall with cellulose insulation(very comfortable year round). I`d owned a Well Tempered turn table for many years( should`nt have sold it). Currently have a Linn LP12 which is good, but honestly my current digital front end is so natural and organic in nature that the Linn is collecting dust now. The Yamamoto YDA DAC is really quite special. I now have more CDs than records.
Best Regards

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Montejay,
Thanks for the very kind words.

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System edited: System edited, pictures are now available.

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Pehare,
As you can see I `m very fond of Coincident products and I do use the CST power cables fot the linestage amd monoblocks.I don`t doubt for a moment the quality of Coincident IC/SPK cables, however I`ve had the silver cables prior to the current system. These cables mate so well there`s no sense replacing them. Thanks for the kind comments.I looked at your system, I bet it`s rather natural souding and emotionally involving(simplicity rules).

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Sebrof,
The speaker`s 94db efficiency is plenty for my 8 watt/channel amps' My room size is 25x14x8ft. most listening is done in the range of 75-85db. At this sound level the amp is coasting at less than 1 watt of output. I sit 10 feet from the speakers.

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Sebrof,
After numerous comparisons of cable over the years I`ve found silver cables if done properly just sound more natural. The stereotype of silver being bright,thin or edgy has`nt been the case for me. The good quality silver wires are in fact rather smooth and relaxed but with excellent detail and transparency. Thanks for your cmments.

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Thanks Montejay,
With a company like Coincident around it made things simpler for sure.Their electronics/speaker combo provides the sheer naturalness and realism I`ve always sought.That darn Yamamoto DAC has nearly identical sound character for a most compatable match. I can only imagine how wonderful your system must sound with the pure reference extremes.
Regards

charles1dad