Hello, have now listened to the Elac 607 ce speakers a longer period. Must say that they are the best products on the market (recommended). A slim konsept makes you feel a Transparency out its like, homogeneous and very dynamic sound.,. Maybe it's the size that makes them less attractive for the sound they present is very large :::)) Monitor lovers should be a good effort worth hearing them. ::))
Focal is a wonderful, beautiful speakers,,, ELAC is a brighter cleaner less colored. ::)) there's more information.
Sorry for the late reply, I was traveling the last two weeks. Thanks for the advise regarding the DG-38, I will give it a try and let you know how things went.
On a different topic, Friday I have attended the High End Munich show and I got the chance to listen the Focal Maestro and Stella Utopia speakers (both hooked-up with very expensive electronics, i.e. Constellation Audio and Solution). The sound was mediocre in both rooms, i.e. not bad at all but definitively not worth the money. On the other hand, I was extremely impressed by the TAD Evolution One speak. While not very large, the speaker had absolutely no problem to feel a very large room (70 square meters or so) with very well controlled and balanced sound (top to bottom).
The speaker is too large for my room and at 28 K euros also a bit too expensive for my budget. However, you might want to consider it next time the upgrade-bug bytes :). (From what the TAD distributor was saying, TAD speakers pair beautifully with Accuphase electronics. He has actually invited me to Antwerp to his "TAD-villa", with my electronics, to listen the combination. Though, since all TAD speakers are out of my budget, I will most likely not waste his time.)
The problem was the equalizer curve which had variation of +/- 10-15 dB in the midrange. (I really have no idea how/when I have ended up saving that equalization curve. Obviously, I did it by mistake.). Nonetheless, once I have put the equalization curve to flat and than save it, every thing when back to normal. I have uploaded pictures with the measurements in my room on my system page (the Kosh Naranek system). You can have a look at them if you want.
Regarding you advise, I am not sure what you meant when you said to lower the gain. Are you talking about the "Signal Level" option of DG-38?. If yes, then note that I have clicked the "Auto adjust" field, i.e. the default setting for the signal level is -12 dB.
I agree that one should make use of the DG-38 as little as possible. Some years ago I had a very bad experience with a Lyngdorf room correction system. The units sounded marvelous in the dealer's room, but such all life form the music in my room.
Somehow I have succeeded to screw up the settings of my DG-38 unit. So far I did not figure out how to fix this problem. I hope you would not mind reading my last post on my system page where I've described in some detail the problem. Maybe you can give me some useful hints.
While I did not compared the Scala and the 1038Be models I corroborate Mike60 opinion/experience, viz. in the past I have compared a few times Focal speakers from the Utopia and Electra lines and the differences was always significant. Also Maxen, I wouldn't take too seriously those charts even if they were made by a german magazine.
Regarding the 4pi tweeter, I had a similar experience with the MBL 121 speakers. I did not bought them because they did not imaged very good. But with the right music and proper set up those unidirectional tweeter/drivers can make wonders. The fact that one is able to connect/disconnect these 4pi tweeters at will makes these Elacs very attractive for me.
You have tried quite a few great speakers over the years :). All of them with the current electronics?
Next time the upgrade-bug bits me I will make sure to listen to the Elac 607 CE speakers, especially since, here in the Netherlands, they are priced similarly (i.e. around 9-9.5K euros) to the Focal Diablo Utopias (the speakers I was thinking to get).
How about the optional 4Pi Plus omnidirectional tweeter for the 607 CE. Did you have the chance to listen to it?
Finally, regarding the DG-38, I have one too, and I too find it a "must-have" unit. How did you connect it into your system. I have a digital cable running form the output of the CD player into the DG-38, and a XLR cables running from the analog output of the DG-38 into the integrated. I should get a second digital cable to try to feed back the signal from the DG-38 into the CD player as I have never tried this second possibility and I am curious about it.
Thanks for the response. I am not surprised to hear that Elac speakers outperform more expensive speakers of the competition. In the Netherlands many shops sell Elac speakers and I have seen/heard quite a few times entry level Elacs (around 1k euros) moping the floors with almost twice as expensive speakers from B&W, Dali, Kef, etc. However, I have not expected this to be the case also for speaker costing 20-25K euros. Normally, a less than 10k euros speaker (e.g. your Elac) should not represent any type of competition for a 25k euros speaker (e.g. the Scalas) let alone outperformed it in whatever area (I've quoted the retail dutch prices). But I guess there is nothing normal, especially when it comes to prices, in this hobby. Hatts off for being open minded and considering such a move!
Regarding Focal Scala, I was not aware that it is considered a mediocre speaker. The Altos were superb speakers (not just for the money) and Scala are supposed to be much better. Also, I am surprised to hear that Scala is only marginal better than the Electra 1038 Be. There was always a huge difference between the Utopia and Electra lines, i.e. Utopia speaker have much fuller and open midrange and image much better. While I am not interested in the Scalas (they are too large form my room and amp, and too expensive for my budget), it seems I would need to go and listen to them just to stay informed.
On a different matter, what pre-amp are you using?Also, what other speakers did you try with Accuphase? I found that Accuphase amp work well with a large variety of speakers (because of their ability to drive difficult loads), but by far the best combination I have heard was with Avantgarde speakers.
I too am an Accuphase fan and think Accuphase pairs very well with Focal Utopia speakers (I own both brands). However, I must say that I am very surprised to see that you have replaced your Focla Scala with the Elac Fs 607 CE. Elac does make good speakers indeed, but so does Focal. I find it very hard to believe that Elac Fs 607 CE, which price-wise is a competition for Focal Electra 1038 Be, has any change agains Focal Scala. Maybe I am missing something.